It wasn't just about the five people who got arrested under the ISA. Surely there must be a How-to-Govern manual somewhere that says 'Thou Shalt Not Martyr Thy Opponents Unless Thou Really Is Not Interested in Winning the Hearts and Minds of Thy People'.
It was this:
Friday December 14, 2007
PM: Silent majority have spoken – we don’t want demos
PETALING JAYA: The silent majority of Malaysians have spoken up and they want a stop to street demonstrations which disrupt people’s lives and cause disharmony among the country’s multi-racial population.
Representatives of Damai Malaysia – an umbrella body comprising 395 non-governmental organisations – handed over to Datuk Seri Abdullah Ahmad Badawi yesterday a memorandum criticising the illegal street rallies.
The Prime Minister said the memorandum was a sign that people were angry with illegal protests and violent acts.
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They want peace: Representatives of NGO groups under Damai handing the memorandum to Abdullah yesterday expressing their wish that peace be maintained. |
“We have progressed because we have been able to maintain democratic institutions which respect the law while the people enjoyed the fruits of peace and political stability.
“If freedom cannot be respected and used in a responsible manner, the people themselves will be at the losing end.
“As can be seen from today’s memorandum, the people who remained silent have now stood up to make their stand. They want peace to be maintained.”
He said he was informed that the street demonstrations had caused a 10% cancellation of hotel room bookings and rental of tour buses, while retail stores also reported a drop in sales.
Abdullah was speaking to newsmen after receiving the memorandum before flying off to visit flooded districts in Pahang.
At the outset, the group of about 20 people led by Damai chairman Mohd Saiful Adil Mohd Daud was not allowed to enter the Royal Malaysian Air Force Subang airbase but after waiting for the airbase authority to get back to them, they were finally allowed to go in.
Mohd Saiful Adil gave a brief speech before proceeding with five other representatives to hand over the memorandum. The group applauded before they left the place.
The whole episode took less than 15minutes.
Damai represents 1.5 million members and its representatives include those from 75 Chinese-based and 20 Indian groups and associations.
In the joint declaration read by Mohd Saiful Adil, the members expressed their disgust at street demonstrations and the use of religious and racial issues to create hatred among Malaysians.
They condemned individuals and groups who used lies and slander against the country and asked for foreign intervention in Malaysia’s internal affairs.
“We also condemn accusations that the country’s leaders had allowed ethnic cleansing to occur in the country,” he added.
Damai advisor and Bukit Bintang MCA chief Senator Datuk Dr Lee Chong Meng said the Bersih and Hindu Rights Action Force (Hindraf) illegal demonstrations last month had caused tourists to cancel trips to Malaysia.
Cheras Hindu Youth Organisation vice-president S. Ariivazhagan regretted that Hindraf had used religion to protest.
“Hindraf has presented the wrong view to the world that the Indian community here is being persecuted. This group is not fighting for our rights,” he said.
On arrival in Kuantan, Abdullah labelled those who solicit support from outsiders as traitors and the action of Hindraf, which claimed to fight for the rights of the Indian community in Malaysia, as an attempt to destroy the country and racial unity, Bernama reports.
“Was there ethnic cleansing? There was nothing about wiping out the Indians in the country,” he said at a function to welcome him and his wife, Datin Paduka Seri Jeanne Abdullah at the RMAF base.
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I'm sorry, who are Damai Malaysia and who are the supposed 395 NGOs represented by them? Where is the list of those NGOs? So far the ones mentioned are all related to political parties which, in my book, don't count as NGOs.
Secondly, where do they get off saying that they represent the silent majority? Were YOU asked? I'm sorry, I haven't said much but I am NOT represented by this Damai lot. Who the hell is Mohd Saiful Adil Mohd Daud anyway?Thirdly, what is in the memo? If they are claiming to represent the silent majority, then don't the silent majority have a right to read that memo? I haven't seen any report that actually tells us what is contained in that memo. And I love how thick it is! They seriously expect the PM to read the entire thing? (Or maybe it just says nothing except 'we love you' throughout?)
Fourthly, what is the difference between presenting this memo and those other memos? Just because this one says 'We Think You're Wonderful' and 'People Who Demonstrate Are All Thugs', they get to hand it directly to the PM? While the ones that say 'Please Can You Listen and Deal with Real Issues?' have to go through police barricades, water cannons and tear gas? Is the inability to go shopping the most important issue of the day?
I can tolerate most things but I can't abide being insulted and treated as if I'm stupid. Since when does peace mean maintaining hotel room bookings and retail sales? You mean, as long as tourists come and we're shopping we're OK? How dumb is that?
Peace is not possible without justice and equality. Look at places like Palestine; without justice and equality for all the people who live there, there can be no peace. Do we condemn their need to protest, even while we may not support some of their violent forms of expression?
Just because we don't have violence doesn't mean we have true and meaningful peace. Peace doesn't mean just being able to go round without worrying if someone is going to shoot you ( though going by some of the stories in the papers, we should worry about this too). It also means living with a clear conscience, that your friend and neighbour is not suffering from injustice. It means everyone has the opportunity to better themselves, not just some.
I resent the implication that those who support the right to dissent and protest do not want peace and want violence. Hey, I have kids too and I want them to grow up in a peaceful country. But I don't want them to grow up in place where they cannot say what they think, where they are treated as if they are retarded if they want to express what they feel, where if they do not agree with the Government they are immediately labelled traitors. Excuse me!!! Do you know of any country where whole swathes of people are called thugs and traitors yet still remain peaceful? It is the name-calling, accompanied by thuglike behaviour on the part of Government institutions, that leads to violence, not the other way round.
All it takes is some empathy. I am so appalled that all the discussion is about what a nuisance demos and protests are when the real issues are swept under the carpet. Demos are just symptoms, not the real issue. What is so difficult about saying, "OK, enough already. Let's all be civilised and sit down and talk?"
One oft-used criticism is that the protesters have not gone through 'the proper channels'. It is unclear to me what the 'proper channels' are. If that was so, then why does Damai need to hand over their memo at TUDM base? Is that the 'proper channel'? Do people have to lie in wait at airports and places in order to be able to talk about their grievances?
I am so fed-up of being condescended to by intellectual midgets who think they are smart just because they have power. This, for example:
Friday December 14, 2007
Commission a balanced team, says Nazri
KUALA LUMPUR: It is a balanced team, said Minister in the Prime Minister’s Department Datuk Seri Nazri Aziz in describing the five members of the Royal Commission of Inquiry into the videoclip of a senior lawyer allegedly brokering the appointment of judges.
This was so, because one of the members was a woman and two were on the earlier three-man independent panel to verify the authenticity of the clip, he said yesterday.
On why social activist Tan Sri Lee Lam Thye, who was one of the members in the earlier panel, was not in the commission, Nazri replied: “I do not know why he declined.”
Asked whether reports by the independent panel and the royal commission would be made public, Nazri said: “We will see later.”
Oh wow, 'balance' means putting a token woman in there? And if Lee Lam Thye had not declined, then there wouldn't be a woman there and therefore it wouldn't be balanced? Give me a break!
And what is this ' we will see later' nonsense? Is that the same as saying 'Its depend'? Depending on whether the panel and commission reports the 'right' things or not?
I am so annoyed today that I'm probably not being very articulate. But it is getting too too much. I read letters to the Editor which are universally echoing the Government line about demos, and not the issues. Have any of you written letters that have not been published because they have not been complimentary about the Government? If so, I'll be happy to publish them on the blog (no obscenities please!). Also if any of you have the full list of the 395 NGOs that are part of Damai, please also send that. I'm pretty sure that none of the ones that I am associated with is part of it.

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Hi, I m so proud of u & ur stand. U took the words right out of my mouth (although I would not have been as eloquent).
I googled DAMAI, and got a disabled organization of Selangor & WP.
Thank you for standing up for the REAL SILENT MAJORITY.
This is one thing that I keep telling myself, my wife and the my buddies. STOP reading main stream newspapers. Yes, I felt like all the people in this country is SO SO DUMB that we listen and accept whatever crap they write or telling us. The geniuses like Nazri, SIL, and Maiden need to know not everyone here is Dumb just like you guys. Stop treating the public like we are clowns!!!!
Careful dear, they may take you in for trying to incite your readers to go against the "silent" majority and their supreme leader the elegant silent one.
Yep, who the duck is this Mohd Saiful Aidil, anyway?
20 persons representing 390 NOGs with 1.5 million members?
Whoa. Let's do some kira-kira. 1.5 million out of 25 million is still not the majority (if 1.5 million wasn't cooked up, in the first place).
i like this man's thinking about balance. probably his mind is really unbalanced. MM, you are absoluely right. you dont balance a panel with a woman. she is there because she is impartial and of sound and intellectual mind. nothing less and nothing more.
lets forget about balance.the perception of the panel's credibility and impartiality is more imporatnt, isnt it?
Thank you for voicing out your opinion and sharing it with all of us who cares and feels the same. It makes us feel that atleast there are people out there who are just as angry and unsatisfied with the say things are now. God Bless.
NST reports 14 dec today that PM says street demos are not part of our "culture"..& " thse have not in any way been able to change the govt's policies"
DANG RIGHT ON!!
Is our PM right on the money or what??
I so agree!
On top of street demos not being part of our (or any) culture, Corruption, & abuse of power is also NOT part of our culture.
Does this mean since all of the above are not part of our culture they are therefore FORBIDDEN?
So when can we arrest all those who are corrupt? How abt those abusing their power?
The best is:
you guys can walk til you drop, scream til u are hoarse and
we still WON'T change an iota of our policies because we are RIGHT & we have MIGHT and you are NOT & you have NONE!!!
Our wise Lord also proclaimed "..running down the country and pleading for sympathy from foreign powers are tantamount to treason"
DANGNESS!
HE IS MY HERO!
Again ! right on the money!!!
From now on ..
We should decree that anyone whosoever so much as mutter 1 beep or write 1 word of complaint against
- our great land,
- our great government OR
- our even GREATER Leader (including his kind, wise and SMART family & in-laws)
& if this Beep should be seen OR heard by ANY foreign powers/foreign people/ foreign countries in any timezones (otehr than ours) should be arrested IMMED & charged under the ISA, OSA, & any "a"s we can find!!
Do you see why I will never be thrown into jail for treason or anything??
This is because one can clearly see how much I adore our Wise Leader!!
yours truly Asia Malaysian
Lahtin Gobloking
i am perturbed by the recent events in malaysia..
we have people taking the streets in sign of protest.. and the ruling maestros of malaysia seem to not care to examine the reasons but rather throw a blanket over hoping that the burning fire will not spread..
The action taken so far has been to show the sign of strength and power rather than be civilised and initiate talks and get to the bottom of issues..
My only worry and i see it heading there.. where is bangsa Malaysia.. why are all races all so broken up.. 50 years and we are still chinese, indian, malays, eurasion, kadazan and so on..
Where have we as a nation gone wrong??
just a thot,
d
below is something i wrote in response to a story in The Star, Dec 12. the link is here: http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2007/12/12/nation/19735929&sec=nation
Sir,
No one wishing to endanger the fragile peace of this nation deserves support--and that peace is fragile if, after 50 years of independence, we are still to learn the value of our differences--but nevertheless Datuk Seri Hishammuddin Tun Hussein is in error. "Don't push the PM, Hisham warns people" (The Star, Dec 12).
It is the people who should not be pushed, and I am sure a moment's reflection will lead the Minister to the same conclusion. The duty of elected representatives lies equally to those who did not vote for them, as to those who did. As long as we entertain the principles of democracy, the rights of political minorities--however lunatic they may be--deserve and require the protection of the majority. To do anything else would be a de facto admission of failure in the enterprise of mature government.
Politicians tempted to use the argument "we have the majority" should therefore learn that the idea of browbeating those who lose contests was born in the schoolyard. And it belongs there.
The Minister should also take greater care in the construction of the sentence "we (the Government) will not hesitate to take drastic measures or use laws if the country's stability is affected." As it stands, it appears that the Government is prepared to take "drastic measures" that are not, in fact, legal.
U-En Ng
Kuala Lumpur
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Dear Datin ,my best bet is that these people who claim they are representing 1.5 million citizens are just a bunch of ball-carriers who are out to please AAB,to me they represent nobody but themselves only.
As to Nazi (opps I mean Nazri )didn't our good doctor snubbed him as being a mere hatchet man ?
Hi Marina,
I feel your pain and anger. i dont know how to descibe my feeling at the moment. I feel i cant do anything RIGHT anymore in this country. Feel totally disabled.
Nobody listens to the people and the citizens. The ministers dont listen to the needs of the pple, they go on to do stuff that makes them popular. The local news papers dont publish the truth or what actually is happening. Memo's that carry pple problems and requests is not treated with respect but memos that praise the govrn gets headline news. Did we EVER hear pur PM talk about the memos given to him by any of the group that demonstrated??? But this memo gets headlines!
I am a graduate but probably i am an idiot when it comes to human rights. Pls MM, guide us...tell us how can we stop this nonsense? Looks like even the royalty arent doing anything. SOmeone has to stop this rot!
Why hasnt Tun said anything? Can he help us. Tears flow while i write this... :'-(
Disabled Malaysian
i used to sent letter to Utusan editor.
as far i can remember, my last letter was published 2004-2005;
tis days i am more critical of the present government, and my letter never had the chances to be publish by utusan anymore.
what worse even my sms to the star, sms section also never come out to the press...
drmuzi
I could not have said it better. I've been ranting internally for a good few weeks now. The entire situation beggars belief, and leaves so much to be desired that one really doesn't know where to start in commenting!
Lies...lies..lies... Wonder how much those people get paid?
eh............what animal is this dami; four legs or two legs ?
I share your feelings and opinions, Marina. It was an absolutely horrid experience reading through page after page of propaganda and spin in the Star today. Not that on other days they tell the gospel truth, but today's reports were just over. Completely pissed me off. Glad to know I'm not the only one who feels that way.
As for Damai, I wonder if:
a) They had a permit;
b) How many people were involved (more than 5? need permit la!);
c) Where were the cops and;
d) No teargas + water cannon for our oh-so-noble-peace-loving damai fellas? Surely there were more than 5 people there...which is a riot in the govt's books!
Double standards, folks? There you have it. Democracy, Malaysian style.
it's sad with was is happening in our country. Last night I took my daughter for dinner and we watched the news on TV3. We went to Malay stall lah since she loves tomyam, and we were the only Indians there.
When those ppl from HINDRAF were shown, ppl in the restaurant turned and looked at us it's obvious we were the blackies, the keling, the pariah, the thugs or what was the word 'penyangak' there:)anyway my child asked many questions and I answered as honest as possible putting aside my ethnicity. and I made sure I told my daughter that we are not beggars or pendatang in this country. We are citizens of this country. Her reply was, when can we leave this country??? Sad innit, but what to say. She says she has been reading in the blogs and she knows that she is different, that she knows she will be treated different. She says she has seen the pictures in blog belonging to a chap named 'Nat'- so what do I say to her?
I said we are different from the majority so we must always make sure we excel in life for there is no one for us.
what a sad life my child hopes for by being in this country
Lily
Don't you think it strange that the gathering of 15 people is not deemed illegal but given so much publicity. So who is this group that can be classified as 'not out to create trouble' and given the liberty to gather without police setting up road blocks and firing tear gas etc? Why is it that Bersih's attempt to submit a petition on 11/12 was met with massive road blocks to Jalan Parliament. I was in KL and think that if anyone is to be blamed for the traffic congestion, it's the police blockage. Sudahlah! PM please don't talk crap.
First of all I am against detention without trial or in Malaysia it's called ISA. If someone has committed an offence, charge them in court. Punish them appropriately. ISA is just telling the whole world, the Malaysian legal system in incapable of delivering a good judgement on the accused.
By saying that, I am not an Hindraf sympathiser nor do I support their cause. I am for 'Bangsa Malaysia' -National Integration. But I am surprised that this Hindraf fellas, the leaders who are lawyers can use really really 'low grade' english in their letter to Gordon Brown. I wonder if they were the one who wrote it first of all. Or its the job of some 'people' who slipped in that letter and signed on behalf of Hindraf leaders. I am sure as well trained lawyers, the use of English language would be better than mine, but the content is like a primary 4 kid writing those letters. Sure this fellas wrote it or sure this fellas are lawyers? But anyway if their guilty of any offence, please charge them in court and mete out proper judgement. by using ISA, the Chief Imam of Islam Hadhari has made heroes out of them.
Look at the mainstream newspaper tommorow, all the Ministers would agree on the use of ISA on these fellas, YES!YES!YES! would be their answer and in proper etiquette of journalism...they'll never interview the opposition party.
Look the Indian community consist of 8% of the country's total population, and there is no constituency in this country which has a majority Indian vote. To make heroes out of some fools, make you a greater fool- that is for the Chief Imam of Islam Hadhari
Marina, I empathise with you. It pains me to see sycophants doing the dirty work for the government. In fact the episode made so sick i actually forgot I had constipation.
Hi Marina,
I have nothing to say on your dissent towards Govt,
but I fuly support the ISA on those 5 hindraf thugs.
It was high time anyway.
Also I know of few Muslim Indian expats neighbours, who felt the same about HINDRAF.
These fellows have even defamed your own dad while speaking to Indian media.
Read this blog for instance, I came across through Nuriana Samad's blog.
http://escapefromindia.wordpress.com/
I must say BOTH,
you and NST are wrong.
No one has right to speak for silent majority.
Both of yu have your own reasons, ideologies or whatever...
I reckon that all of us should rally to support Saiful to be the PM and Lee Chong Meng to be his deputy. Their popularity votes is sure hard to beat , not even by PMs past and present.
By the way, did these 20 blokes get a police permit for assembling to present the document to the PM? If not, they are threatening peace and stability and tourists will stay away . I say.."Arrest them" put them in kamunting.
this whole propoganda is sooo fake & so obvious! No one I know, whom these geezers at PRIMA claims to represent has heard of the peition, let alone got a chance to sign it.
There was a supposed survey with nice graphs and stats on how the majority thinks the elections are fair & free too!!
isn't it a crime to create false documents and stats?? lets find a way to expose these people!!
what a load of propoganda crap!!.. i feel sick the current govt is stooping lower & lower...
yes we are bangsa malaysia but yes we are an apartheid country (let's face it).
I do NOT support Hindraf but I support all Malaysians who have been discriminated against, spat on and jumped upon.
I will stand side by side, hand in hand with my brothers and sisters of all colors, disabled or enabled, against those who discriminate against us.
er....rrr PUHLEESSE huh...don't any foreigners DARE read this blok or otherwise I will be pulled up for "treason".
Tonight 20 of us malaysians who are in this 3rd world country, will gather together (no permit required. ain't that weird? and this is really a 3rd world country!!) to sing "praises" of our Great Dear Leader(s)
yeahh..& *** are flying here too!!
Im tired very tired actually having to struggle in existence as a kid school then came form 5,
"mom said u got to get good grade and than can get scholarship to live ur dream".......AND guess what i did get my 10As but im a "minority" @ keling so obviously i didnt get my scholarship.Thank god my dad knew he is still a "minority" and saved money. I did manage to go to grad school and fulfill my dream of being a doctor...... So please tell the PRIME MINISTER we aint stupid.Th silent majority are hearing watching and living with it but there is a limit to all.Here are few educated men wanted to meet him and discuss about issues and he did not meet them and he can manage for an ADVERTISEMENT stint with "DAMAI MALAYSIA".WE ARE NOT STUPID CITIZEN ABDULLAH.Do something about the issue and dont talk about TOURISM DROP ,RETAIL LOSS.
Do something AND ISA is not the answer ......we too contributed to this country...TONY FERNANDEZ ANANDA KRISHNAN
FROM A DOCTOR FEELING LIKE AN OUTSIDER IN MY OWN COUNTRY.
Our 'beloved' Government are still in the denial stage. They just won't & can't move on. Should WE, as the kind citizens we are, help them move?
Sengal!
You could ask your dad about all of them. Deep down, everyone knows where the root of all these events come from.
well well well , who started all these in the first place..please ask yourself...u may start to feel like this just recently...we have been made to endure these bullshit for so many years, way before badawi assume power....u dont realise that obviously..i think, this is just another privileged withrawal syndrome...khairy will do exactly what u are doing now when badawi is out of power.... thanks anyway for speaking up!
Again your Dad's opinions on what is going on is being sought after. Being his daughter, it is only natural that you will side Barisan Nasional. So in a way, you make many people feeling confused. Ok. Why your Dad ? Sorry but the truth is that even though he is the former P.M. yet what is happenning does have ties to him. When we look at Anwar Ibrahim, we see your Dad too. Tell us, how many other Barisan Nasional politicians are corrupted but unreported and unharmed ? Why ? Because they are strategic people ? The ISA is used because many Barisan Nasional politicians and supporters do not like to be challenged. The Barisan Nasional is always right when it can be wrong. But the opposition or the challengers are always wrong when they can be right. And Dato' Badawi gives us this kind of impression. He wants to change the system of governance. Yet he cannot and he goes back to the traditional ways because he cannot afford to let Barisan Nasional lose some of its' power. What did he say ? He said don't work for him but work WITH him. This statement gives us the thought that he is willing to mingle even with his political enemies. But now this statement of his is questionable. We cannot be hiding behind false peace. We cannot be brewing hate, anger and bitterness in our hearts and outwardly show the world that there is nothing wrong. ISA does not solve the root problem. It will generate more ill feelings. Or may be in reality, the Barisan Nasional hold on Malaysians is actually so weak and that is why by hook or by crook, she must do anything and everything to hold on to power. ISA. Money vote. Favours. You name it. You get it. If Barisan Nasional truely loves Malaysia, then she should truely loves all Malaysians. And what is love if it does not mean even loving her enemies ? Loving Malaysians also means respecting their own identities. And an identity is what Hindraf is fighting for.
MM, when members of the unjustly treated group feel disempoered, these members are likely to find themselves in the midst of a justice conflict. Am I right? Tell me the best way to pursue justice?
Did a little background check on the guys from Damai Malaysia:
1) Mohd. Saiful Adil Daud (DM Chairman) - Ahli Jawatankuasa Sesi 2006-2008 of Alumni Kelab UMNO
(http://www.alumniumno.org.my/alumni/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=28&Itemid=38)
2) Mohd. Nardin Awang (DM Secretary) - Ahli Jawatankuasa BIRO EKONOMI PERGERAKAN PEMUDA UMNO MALAYSIA
(http://www.pemudaumno.org.my/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=121)
Hm... seems to me like a case of 'prawns beneath rocks' here *wink*
Hi Marina,
I have been a secret admirer of your writings in the recent past. Your thoughts reflect a true Malaysian who dreams (still do) about having a better Malaysia, rich in culture and heritage. By the way, I am also born in the year of Merdeka.
I wept in my heart after reading the ISA detentions. It still pains as I write my first comments in your blog. Born a Chinese, loved this country so much, only to find that we are again plunged into the dark ages.
This so called Damai are but a bunch of nobodies not worthy of mention.
First its the politicians who are squabbling, then it swayed to religious and racial undertones, wait till some UMNOputras instigate the royalty to issue statements condemning the current state of affairs. I see it as a prelude to a more steamy scheme of things cogent with the thoughts and readings of RPK expressed in his blog more than a weeks ago.
Watch out for statements issued by UMNO clowns in the coming days.
Dear Kak Marina,
I'm in school doing my MPH and for a whole semester have been analyzing Msia in terms of history, economy, health, etc, etc. We have such an outstanding record and even amongst my classmates, Malaysia is known to be a strong country amongst the developing ones. My prof acknowledged our country's achievements in class as well... One's heart does swell with pride!
And then I read about the recent events that have been going on or the discussions I have with my Malaysian friends about the current state of the nation and I don't know, it just sounds ... bleak. I don't understand why we do not encourage public discourse on issues that actually matter? Instead we hear about nasty comments that were thrown about in the Dewan Rakyat by "leaders"?
And I feel so helpless. This can't be the route we're taking... right? What can we do to help?
Anyway, I guess this is not much of a comment (more like a long-winded rant) but I just wanted to share my thoughts.
Hope all is well with you and your family!
urm, didn't her father put more people in Kamunting? Surely you're not in the position to bitch.
Why act surprise?
Leslie Lau from Today in Singapore has a good piece on why which your father understood well...
http://www.malaysia-today.net/nuc2006/news2007.php?itemid=1160
Dear Marina,
Fully agree with your comment.
I too want our country to be the best place to live in, especially for my kid, and my kid's kid, and my kid's kid's kid.
Many problems that need to be resolved in this country. 4 of them need immediate attentions :
1) Treat all Malaysians as matured people instead of always saying Malaysians are not ready for open espression and etc.
2) Allow peaceful gathering by those who want to express their genuine concerns
3) Specify the proper channels for people to air their problems and grievances.
4) Open up the media for everybody who deserves to get media attention.
I guess, that's why Ministry of Higher Education refused to act but to ensure the local University will remain out of the top list...SO Malaysians will be forever "DUMB" to see their weaknesses
Dear Marina,
Being the daughter of former Prime Minister Tun Dr Mahatir, you must be able to understand the feelings of the current PM's family as some of the things spoken against him may not be true.
Perhaps the only absolutely true thing among these accusations is that he is too weak to be our country's leader.
This however does not excuse his failures and the poor quality of his decisions as they look like one blunder after another.
The overwhelming support shown by Malaysians giving him 92% of the parliamentary seats have come back to haunt us. They have abused the power we have given them to serve themselves.
Perhaps, the ruling party must be shown that power given to them can be taken away by the same people who gave it to them.
As responsible Malaysians, we should now vote to correct this error we ourselves have created in the first place and ensure a stronger representation of opposition so that the ruling party will buck up and begin really serving the people instead of themselves.
I encourage all Malaysians who are not registered voters to take the initiative to register yourselves as voters and you must come out in full force the next general election and show the ruling party your displeasure.
You are not only doing it for yourselves but for your children and your children's children.
Tony
Aiya, Marina, don't you know you only read Malaysian newspapers to get constipated?
Anyway, you wrote: "Fourthly, what is the difference between presenting this memo and those other memos? Just because this one says 'We Think You're Wonderful' and 'People Who Demonstrate Are All Thugs', they get to hand it directly to the PM? While the ones that say 'Please Can You Listen and Deal with Real Issues?' have to go through police barricades, water cannons and tear gas? Is the inability to go shopping the most important issue of the day?"
Can't you see, all these nice things people write, where they tell AAB the truth, never gets a response. Never got indeed. The first time a response came was when what he called a "blatant lie" was written in one of the letters to Gordon Brown. And he goes on talking about just that one "blatant lie" He completely ignores the foreplay of the truth that all Malaysian Indians identify with. So I guess in that spirit he must have received and also commented on this Damai memorandum as it must have contained a whole lot of blatant lies. Except he is not calling it that. Probably he doesn't get it up with foreplay!!
Well said, Marina. You spoke for the "silent minority" - those who really love this country.
The electronic and print media, ministers and BN stooges insult our intelligence everyday.
In this country we have too many pea-brained people (even Ministers) who will proclaim from roof tops that the PM is God's gift to the country. They will worship him if told to ( of course in exchange for perks or crumbs).
This same people will spit on him the very day he retires as the chief executive.
Dear Marina,
Ive been waiting for you to finally say it for us all - ' the unauthorised silent majority'. They do insult us, and worse the whole lot of them!!
from top to bottom plus a family member who are voted into a party position because he is family and because he apparently became a multimillionaire due to a few kind friends willing to loan him a few millions so that he can make a few more millions with them - never mind that the transactions was questionable and were swept under the carpet very elegantly by the so called the evergreen man of principle (becoz at one time he went against Tun Mahathir...wooo therefore he is a man with guts ?) But when he led PAC he couldnt even whisper something which is clearly a conflict of interest done by a 30 year old guy.So much for principle..!!
therefore when u say these ppl are insulting us...that is actually as articulate as one can get with these people.
enough is enough.the silent majority should not let it be silent anymore. We simply cannot let everything to be done by Tun M alone. One has to salute the guy for his immediate action in speaking out....if anyone who loves this country most it must be him even with his faults here and there.I salute you Tun.
I think Tun should talk more if not for his health....but as much as it hurts me to say this...he did chose this guy in office. I think it is a mistake on his part and it must be corrected.His promise was to not interfere...but he did not promise not to correct any wrongs...or did he?? The choice was wrong Tun...im sorry but it was wrong. Now, lets find the best way to correct things...
I am just a layman....and so my hopes and the hopes of my family is with people like you marina, your brother in UMNO ( if there is any hope at all in UMNO) and others in there who still have the commn sense and guts to sweat and stick it out for the rakyat and country..., the NGOs, the Raja Petras out there....
lets prove to these jokers and make them realise that they better buck up pronto!!
Dear Marina,
I am not a fan of your father but I must admit that one of the best things he has done for this country is bringing you into this world.
Carry on your 'Rantings', it is great...and might I say it surely represents the true silent majority.
God Bless.
I`m not surprised at all for the stupid PM to run around with a group calling itself `Damn I`.
Makes sense.
Lies! Absolute lies!
Who said that there was a 10% decrease in hotel occupancy!? It should be a 100% increase!
From what I heard (from a friend who is an event organizer), many hotels, including the service apartment suites at Menara PGRM played hosts to our special forces and the police (many of whom were called in from other states as reinforcement) during the rallies. Their hotel expenses were most likely paid out from the government coffers = our hard earned money!
How can these 20 people gather to present a memorandum to the PM without being given an acid bath or VIP treated with tear gas. Twenty is four times exceeding the number of what is defined as an illegal gathering. Or did they apply for a permit?
everybody claiming representing the silent majority or silent minority, whatever.
you disputing the other party and the other party disputing you. typical politicians and self proclaimed ngos. whatever ngos from lawyers to bloggers. the truth is i don't see these lawyers and bloggers helping the flood victims.
i am not a supporter of the present government nor the previous government. BUT i missed tun mahathir.
Perhaps BERSIH should organize a 100,000 march to declare how much they love the PM -- that way they don't need a permit.
I am a journalist in India, and I have been keenly following the developments regarding ethnic people in Malaysia.
Street demonstrations are a very negative method of expression. Probably Mahatma Gandhi used to that, but like everything that too is period-specific. Even he would have changed his agitation methods today.
Anomalies (whatever that be) should be settled across the table and not on streets. I think people in any society have to conform, first and foremost, to the rules of the land. Democracy doesn't allow violation of laws. It applies not just to Malaysia, but to India and any other nation or even a small community.
That's precisely the point I have made in
my blog post on Dec 6. I hope this issue will be settled soon without it getting worse.
Hi Marina Mahathir. I admire your writting during your aids foundation days till the early days when you started blogging. Unfortunately lately your writtings are no more universal, it more toward hatreds critism, supportive of rallies and demos. I wish you could be in your old days whereby your writtings made us think, realize and moving forward. I could see a Mahatterism in your old days but not anymore. You dammed those 'Damai' representative for caliming to representing the silent majority but you dont dammed those lawyers, Bersih organisers and Hindrafts for claiming to represent the majority of Malaysia. What right you have to dammed them? Dear Marina, the last General Election has given the mandate to BN and therefor there are the ones who represent Majoritiy of Malaysian. For now no ones has the rights to claimed they represent Majority of Malaysia and whatever action taken by them i.e Bersih,Hindarft and Laywers are illegal. Marina Mahathir please be yourself, promote your own ideology as what you did before, never be influences by others. Your father has done a great job to this country. He was a doctor and he believed in pre-emptive measures. To erradate denggue is to have a clean environment it simple as that.
Want to know Malaysia Damai?
check this link..
http://aminiskandar.wordpress.com/2007/12/07/apabila-kanak-kanak-menjadi-peralatan-untuk-kepentingan-politik/
Dear Marina
My sentiments precisely! I too was so MAD to read about the so-called "Silent Majority". Excuse me, but nobody asked me!!!
Thank you for speaking up for the REAL silent majority as the fear of Kamunting prevents most of us from daring to be as articulate as you!
I hope that we will all have the courage to do what is RIGHT at the next elections as it promises to be helluva interesting! Meanwhile, it is increasingly frustrating to see everything relevant being swept under the carpet. Continuing to avoid the real issues will only lead to an explosion & then they will still blame everyone else for it! (BTW, talking of explosions, did you read the one about the DPM suggesting the use of explosives to widen the Pekan River? As someone commented, "It's amazing how explosives & the DPM have come together").
Take care, keep well & keep ranting! At least we don't feel so alone. Now, if only the man who says he hears with his big ears will really LISTEN & understand that what we all feel is very REAL.
waaaa.... the book so thick one... bodola reti baca ke?....
I've been told that out of that thick memo, two pages are the actual contents while the rest are the signatures and stamps of the 395 NGOs. Still don't know what's written in the memo nor the list of NGOs.
Yes, the inability to go shopping & to upkeep a friendly nothing-is-wrong-in-paradise is paramount to many people.
Tis the unfortunate truth that many M'sians think that way. I ask people I work with & that's the general consensus - cutting across age & race groups. Plus these are the educated urban dweller . . .
We really desrve to be in the shit we are in now as THE SILENT MAJORITY does exist & are a bunch of fooking morons.
Hi MM,
As RPK said in his blog, changes can only be brought within UMNO. And this can only be down by your dad. Do something about this? The country is rotting....
Its all a big Sendiwara to me. I don't know who were the target audience, but anyone with a average mind would know its a big "acting" show.
An Anugerah Skrin award should be given to these bozos NGOs and PM for the best Lead and Supporting Roles.
Thank you, Marina.
I am one of the silent majority and Damai does not represent me. Our PM Badawi said recently, "our elections are very transparent becos the ballot boxes are now made of transparent plastic and you can see thro them"
Omigod. That is the dumbest remark of the century. I cry for Malaysia that the PM does not understand about transparency. Surely he understands about gerrymandering (oops! maybe not he got a degree in Islamic studies).
A Chinese majority parliamentary constituency has 120,000 voters while a Malay rural constituency aka as BN stronghold has 25,000 voters. The concept of one-man-one vote is a mockery. One vote in a BN area equals to 5 votes in a DAP area. What a shame!
Marina - why not you stand for election? Not on a BN ticket please.
the jokers keep on talking about the "silent majority"... who the heck are they and if they are supposed to be silent, why are they trying to suck up to the PM now? Lousy opportunistic parasites, these DUMBASS MALAYSIA fellas...
assalamualaikum kak Marina,
ini lah pertama kalinya saya "memandang tinggi' atas pendirian akak.
saya sangat berharap akak dapat mengupas dengan lebih banyak lagi tentang isu 'panas' sekarang ni.
by the way ABIM is not part of the 395 NGOs.
who'damai??? what are they? how dare they said they represent the silent majority? Who are the 1.5 million members?? Who are the 395 NGO???
Looking at the mainstream media and how they "brainwashes" the readers everyday with their propagandas, I can't help but feel that ignorance is really bliss.
Let's not even talk about press freedom, I am willing to bet my last ringgit that press ethics don't even exist amongst them.
MM, like you I wasn't aware that I was represented by this Damai whatever - hmmm, talking of the term 'by stealth'.
Then I read Damai advisor and Bukit Bintang MCA chief Senator Datuk Dr Lee Chong Meng elect (was he the bloke who benefitted from the former CJ's intrusion into electoral system decision-making?) said the Bersih and Hindu Rights Action Force (Hindraf) illegal demonstrations last month had caused tourists to cancel trips to Malaysia.
I cringe at his grumbling of his business loss when those Hindraf protestors were pleading for basic human rights and respect for their religion. His shameful attitude has only strengthened the stereo-typing of Malaysian 'Chinamen' as soul-less economic animals.
Then Cheras Hindu Youth Organisation vice-president S. Ariivazhagan (Hindu organisation, are we sure?) regretted that Hindraf had used religion to protest.
Bloke said: “Hindraf has presented the wrong view to the world that the Indian community here is being persecuted. This group is not fighting for our rights.”
Indeed, Mr Ariivazhagan, your rights are protected, so Hindraf certainly wasn't fighting for you. Hindraf was fighting for those poor Mamaks in the rubber estates, coolie force etc, whom you would usually find stoned out at toddy shops around the country because they couldn't take the daily sense of hopelessness and the humiliation of witnessing their temples (Hindu ones incidentally) being demolished in outrageous series.
And like you, I am angry too.
thank you MM for voicing our sentiments. i stopped writing to those "controlled" newspapers when my letter regarding the clp examination got thrashed. you, will have our full support.
Hi Aunty Marina,
Taken from an excerpt of an interview with Liew Chin Tong, Executive Director of the KL based think-tank, Research for Social Advancement, aired on Radio Singapore International (RSI)...
Interview by one Loretta Foo...
Question: "Who are the people who have created this new group, Damai Malaysia?"
Answer by LCT: "It’s mainly initiated by UMNO and MCA politicians in Kuala Lumpur. The Malaysian Chinese Association (which is the second largest ruling party in the coalition) has a candidate in Bukit Bintang which is the heart of Kuala Lumpur, Datuk Lee Chung Meng was one of the key people behind this group. It’s mainly a coalition of mostly pro-government groups and they held a forum to denounce street demonstrations without specifically mentioning names, but mostly likely in response to Hindraf as well as the Bersih coalition gathering on November 10th. I don’t see this as a major group. I think it is just to say that there are people who are unhappy about street demonstrations period."
Full interview, dated 7th December, 2007 can be found at: http://www.rsi.sg/english/newsline/view/20071207160917/1/.html
I don't know how credible this source (to be frank, I don't know who Liew Chin Tong is) is, but thought I'd share what I came across...=)
Dear MM,
Yes, you should stand for election but not on BN platform. You ought to get your dad, TDM to bring about changes to this rotting Government. Only TDM can do it. And it can only be done within UMNO. Please do something including looking into plights of all Indians in this country and also the poor Malays and Chinese living in poverty.
Thank you.
Hi, SILENT MAJORITY. Please relook at your words again 'SILENT MAJORITY' and search your souls. Because you are in SILENT mode all these years, the elected representatives steps on your heads and do alot of monkey actions.
Dear Marina,my comments:
1)All our YB should spend more time/energy on:(rather than keep talking on non-value items)
a)Reduce/stop the everincreasing crime rate,snatch thieves,Mat rampit
b)Reduce public safety ,vehicle accident etc
c)Improve government servants working efficiency,all should base on work performance esp speed up all court cases rather than keep postponing cases ,drive productivity & reduce headcounts
d)Reduce building collapse & defects (wasting public money)
e)Reduce corruption (it is getting out of hand)
2)I notice parliament seating attendance is extremely poor (I can not believe)(info from Nanyang)
a)11/29/2007
Total members : 219
At 10.00am : 24(10.9%)
At 2.30pm : 12(5.5%)
At 5.30pm : 32(14.6%)
b)11/30/2007
Total members : 219
At 10.00am : 27(12.3%)
At 2.30pm : 13(5.9%)
At 5.30pm : 27(12.3%)
I wonder whether this attendance rate is acceptable? What is the minimum acceptable rate?
What happen to the members attendance?
There are so HIGH percentage not attending,is it everyone is on important duty elsewhere? We are talking about parliament seating ,our highest body that is discussing out country issues & solutions ?
I want to comment on the Royal Commission. I read previously that one of the 3 members of the previous panel of enquiry did not support establishment of the Royal Commission. Yesterday I read Tan Sri Lee's letter to the editor where he cateogrically stated he supports set up of the Royal Commission. So, how can we have someone who doesnt support it now sit in the Royal Commission. Worst still, if it is the Chairman himself!! what a mockery! Whoever of the other two who didnt support should have the principles and gumption to withdraw and not bastardise the Royal Commission.
You know what MM? I continue to read the mainstream papers just for laughs. Yes, sometimes it disgusts me to read their preposterous concoction, but it gives me sheer pleasure and satisfaction to later find that there are people who can verbalize and share my disgust of those same news articles. I know and am glad that I'm not alone. You keep it wayyyy up!!
Dear Marina,
I don't speak much or express my mind openly like you or other bloggers, hence I belong to the silent majority. But I agree with DAMAI and what they are trying to do. What they has conveyed to the PM is what I have in mind. So, please don't be-little what is being done by others.
The memorandum looks as thick as the Yellow Pages. Very well binded....and compiled in a rather short time. Hmmm....very high efficiency. Anyway.
I reckon the present administration is really not up to the mark. I feel she has been extremely high-handed in tackling the current local situations.
I thought she will fight it out nice and clean by rebutting the allegations against her with solid evidence and not sweeping statements or worse still, using the ISA. Please stop treating the people as if they are children or idiots.
It is appalling. Simply appalling.
Even kids nowadays do not and will not succumb to corporal punishment. Times have changed, dude.
It is reasoning, listening dedication, steadfast, articulation, honesty, justice, fairness, just to name a few, that will win the people over.
Wakari masu ka!? (Understand?)
About Mr. Nazri, I was wondering why he wasn't at the Pedra Branca/ Pulau Batu Puteh hearing at the ICJ? Even the Deputy PM cum Law Minister of Singapore Mr. S. Jayakumar was there to defend Singapore's title to the island. Shouldn't Mr. Nazri, the Law Minister, be present too? Instead, the Foreign Minister was there. For what?
I am so confused now... :p
Hong
Hi Marina,
Since nothing beats empirical data, I've put a poll up to determine whether or not it's true that Damai Malaysia speaks for the "silent majority".
The poll is located at the top of the left sidebar of myAsylum... or read the accompanying post first.
PEACE!
Puan Marina,
Well said. I HOPE that your father would BE ABLE TO ADVICE AND BRING CHANGES TO THIS SILLY GOVERNMENT. We cant undo the PAST but WE SURE CAN RECTIFY THE FUTURE. I BELIEVE TDM CAN WITH THE PEOPLES HELP.
You nailed it right on their face. Thanks.
Dear Marina,
Where else but in Malaysia do we find that the authorities clear the streets so that tourists can come. Never mind the snatch thiefs as long as the locals are the victims. It is actually safer to walk in outer space than some of the streets of the major cities. Our angkasawan will surely vouch for it. Wanna play Cops and Robbers anyone ? Or shall we just stick to Snakes and Ladders ?
Sorry Marina for writing in this way. It is just that I am starting to be ashamed of our Malaysian way of doing things. We will not be a great nation if we continue to pussyfoot without addressing the problems the country faces.
Where do you guys think we can check and find out whether we are 'signed' up as part of DAMAI?
Bisingnya, why complaint when you are the one who voted them in the 1st place. Why read the main stream media when you know they are bias and government control? Are you trying to enrich all those corrupted people even more by buying their newspaper?
RPK was right about you guys, vote for BN then complaint when problem arise. When the RAKYAT want to you walk with them, you turn to SILENT mode! After that you vote for BN AGAIN because you feel kesian to those MPs who 'cuci' your 'lonkang' and 'buang' your 'sampah'. The circle continue again and again and again ............
Lol, look at all these Anonymous, they are really in SILENT MODE until have to keep their name secret. Why? Scare ISA ar? If scare then don't complaint and continue your SILENT MODE!
Btw, my name is KHO WAI KEAN and I'm don't hide like coward when I complaint!!
Celaka punya gomen. Cuma tau tipu dan rompak wang rakyat.
antibiul
December 15, 2007 2.00pm
i agree with you.
Only TDM and DSAI can bring changes to this rotten Government.
MM, Can you please talk to TDM ? Forge a united opposition alliance and make this dogs run for their money.
They have had it too easy for sometime now
Marina, i regret to see what the papers is saying nowadays, more ISA and more will be detain. The question is can the rakyat actually voice out? What dictatorship; pure BS!
You are Right to feel the way you do and THE SILENT MAJORITY like me feels exactly the same. There is so much Hipocrisy and Double standards within our Elected Goverment.
Do they really care for their citizens, I often wonder. We have gone thru 50 years of Independence and yet whenever we speak our mind or present the facts not acceptable to our "Elected Goverment", we are labelled in such a negative.
DONT WORK FOR ME, WORK WITH ME, AAB proudly claimed. It has Now changed to WORK FOR ME OR ELSE .....
What happenned to Bangsa Malaysia? How many more years for generation do we have to wait. I want a Bangsa Malasyai NOW.
I'm really upset as well.
I very much hate the public service videoclips that say, "This is NOT our culture".
They sensationalise the peaceful protests and zoom in on the scuffles (which were initiated by the police anyway).
Why don't people realise that the government has its priorities all wrong?
why doesnt someone go public and demand for the list of the 395 NGOs?
Dear MM,
As a mother, who wishes for a peaceful country for my kids grow up in, I am definitely not a part of this so called 'silent majority' especially if our basic rights are being taken away !!!
One proper channel in any democratic country would be to bring the issue to your elected MPs at the Parliment. But don't do that in Malaysia for the police will arrest you. Or you can try getting your leaders arrested under ISA. Then you will get the privilege of bringing your issues directly to the Top Guy himself (the one with the big ears).
The streets belong not to the shopkeepers, they belong to the people. And the people have the right to dispose it as it pleases, including assemblies. The police serve, and are paid for by the people, and should protect the people, including demonstrators in the streets. Not water cannoning and teargasing the people using means paid by the people.
You said it right! Be it with or without agenda.
If goverment is soo interested in polls, Ask them to poll this!
How many people are migrating from Malaysia?
Planning to get everything done and should be able to move there about a year I hope before the next toll increase and petrol, parking or whatever that does not burden the people.
I have complained enough to myself and who ever who wants to listen but I don't want to be ISAed.
If I don't like it I get out of Malaysia, forgotten who said that, it is youtubed anyway.
There is nothing to be proud of anymore? Anyways, being Malaysian is like working for a country who is our employer. If we aren't happy with the employer we just look for another country whom we can work with.After all, every single of my friends who "moved" never even regreted it.
Hope to be singing someone else national athem soon. At least the tune doesn't come from Mamula Moon.
Salam M,
If 'we' are taken in, pls do visit 'me' ok? Also pls tell your dad. Help cheer up my wife Z and the boys too. 'We' have been hitting them hard. Looks like they cant take it anymore. Salam.
I'm sorry, but I really must say this... MALAYSIANS ARE SOOOO STUPID!
Why the duck are we wasting good grocery money subscribing to mainstream papers like The Star, NSTP, Malay Mail, Utusan and Berita Harian to read their lies?
Aren't we a bit psychotic, paying government mouthpieces to feed us bullshXt? And then, based on their MISinformation, we'll again vote in (or sit at home and let in) a government that will soon send our living standards and EPF savings down the drain?
The only paper I bother to read nowadays is The Sun (not nearly as bad as the others) and online news sites (e.g. Malaysia-Today.net, Malaysiakini.com) that dare to tell us the other side of the story.
WAKE UP, MALAYSIA!
You'll save quite a bit to help cover your next year's rising fuel costs too!
Haisyo... this is normal lah. I mean, it only took me 2-3 years of reading the Star to figure this out... and that was back in 1998. You people need to stop ranting, and start working on constructive solutions. How about designing better structures? If you already have something completely planned out, how about engineering the change? Go gym is no good for nation, unless your personal fitness is contributing to the fitness of the nation. Send Malaysia, to the ____ing gym.
Marina,
I'm represented by this group and there are many like me in the country. By running down people with differring views to yours, you are no better than those you condemn.
I'd like to hear your views on the Lingam case considering it involved the alleged meddling of the former Prime Minister in the judiciary, who is your father.
Many people have called the current PM stupid, sleepy head etc. But people forget that the one most responsible for putting him there should also be chastised! HE is the cause of the people's misery!
To Fair,
If you call these people who represent 1.5 million Abdullah Badawi's ball carriers, than what would you call Dr Mahathir, the man who put him there against the general preference of UMNO members?
I am one of those silent majority, who is not engaged with any NGOs, a lay person who is very concerned with the entire 'happenings' in this country. I have been enlightened about our predicaments, that has led to all the various demonstrations. The government is also trying very hard to tarnish all those, especially the leaders of the demonstration, as you can see on the local news. What I don't understand about this government, they keep saying that its not our culture to hold any sort of demonstration, asking those who have grouses to go through the proper channel. But when you hold public forums (proper channel) like what Article 11 did, they got bashed down by leaders like Hishammudin. So, I guess, from what I have observed, doing the proper doesn't work, and the 'so-called' illegal way (peaceful demonstration) also doesn't work. So, my question would be, how, are we going to get our point across? I guess the government themselves are pushing people to vent out on the internet and other televised world media. The government should also address the unlying issue that in the first brought the public to hold demonstrations, i.e. having a clean n fair election, equal rights for chinese and indians, etc. Malaysian is not far from being perfect, how about working towards perfection, dear Minister. Ohhh I forgot, perfection has already been achieved in their view (Ministers), because they're already getting the best of everything here, loads of money, women, murder, etc.. and the best part they get away with it...Democracy only for those few... The majority of us are dumb founded and can't seem to do anything about it.
What is interesting, the Ministers will call upon the cendikiawans to say Malaysia has been prospering, so on and so forth, why waste all that and cause trouble... Well, all that is good, but don't forget the first and foremost you have to remember, we come as human beings first, and one the most fundemental requirement for any human being is freedom and being treated in all equal sense. This most basic requirement and need, Malaysia has still not met in this 50 years.
Ma'am,
it's raining cats & dogs (& chemicals too). we're definitely sinking. thus what better way than balloting out the present irrelevant government and cabinet ministers into the ark and letting them sail away into oblivion.
Rid the crap, start anew.
Martin Luther King Jr. once said: "In your statement you assert that our actions, even though peaceful, must be condemned because they precipitate violence. But is this a logical assertion? Isn't this like condemning a robbed man because his possession of money precipitated the evil act of robbery? Isn't this like condemning Socrates because his unswerving commitment to truth and his philosophical inquiries precipitated the act by the misguided populace in which they made him drink hemlock? Isn't this like condemning Jesus because his unique God-consciousness and never-ceasing devotion to God's will precipitated the evil act of crucifixion? We must come to see that, as the federal courts have consistently affirmed, it is wrong to urge an individual to cease his efforts to gain his basic constitutional rights because the quest may precipitate violence. Society must protect the robbed and punish the robber."
I believe it is very important to mention such things tho some say say its futile but these people have gone through similar hardships and struggles against their geovernement and there are lessons to be learnt from such people .
The problem is all the Silent Majority has been silenced.
The Silent Majority was so pitiful in their lives that they demanded that their memorandum to be read and issues taken up. Silent Majority even submitted memorandums to Sleepyhead a.k.a. Big Ears earlier before the Big Loud Rally.
Sadly, when Big Ears did not even listen to the Silent Majority, they had no choice but to rally so that Somebody with Small Ears but Concerned would listen.
There is no point of having Big Ears if one is either Retarded or Deaf.
That is the Silent Majority. Finally, these Silent Majority are also silenced by someone who claims to be representing them with some weird name like Damai and 395 NGOs. As if the NGO is created recently by whom is everyone's guess.
Craps, now the REAL SILENT MAJORITY HAS BEEN SILENCED WITH ISA AND this nobody-know called Damai.
Regards,
Sagaladoola
Ain't "bersih" ALSO include the Opportunist Oppositions??
I'd support BERSIH if it is REALLY "BERSIH"!
I'm one of the REAL SILENT MAJORITY who support the govt but DO NOT support the lame PM & those kissing up to him!!
kristal said... " everybody claiming representing the silent majority or silent minority, whatever.
you disputing the other party and the other party disputing you. typical politicians and self proclaimed ngos. whatever ngos from lawyers to bloggers. the truth is i don't see these lawyers and bloggers helping the flood victims.
... BUT i missed tun mahathir."
=> YES!!!
To me, simple. Giving memos, etc. DO NOT REQUIRE one to "demonstrate"! Period.
And doing that (demon-strating to give some memo) is TRULY "not our culture"!!
I was talking to a Indian Muslim and he was certainly upset about Hindraf and said What Hindraf did was wrong. What do Indians here lack?
I asked him to ask the question himself and answer me too what was the percentage of the poor in that 8% of Indians and why there are only foreign scavengers or Indian scavengers in shopping malls etc. I do see some people are against Hindraf. Although I am not yet supportive of them just for the reason I do not know much about them, I am also not against them. I do not think they are terrorists yet. I don't mind about their English. (I infact don't bother about it, because it is after all something against Ebglish too anyway!) That is not enough to mask the real problem faced by the suffering people in the estates etc.
I think any kind of oppression will certainly outburst someday. It is the same with the Muslim people in India. The moment we compare their rights in India for Muslims they start to understand the Hindus rights here.
It is a pity that the real problem is not going to be solved and the the silent sufferers are going to continue to suffer.
Understanding and respecting the mutual rights of other people be it religious or be it cultural is necessary for the harmony of the country and I don't see how the harmony is going to be proved here by restricting rights.
I do however think if Mr.Mahathir was there he could have handled this situation very well and wouldn't have gone to International stands, but then again politically the PM looks like has done a good job too to use this situation to help people forget what he has done and not done and focus on issues like this make the majority people feel how hard he is working to save the rights of majority and also make the minority feel you are not treated bad yet, see the people at Botswana or Palestine or elsewhere...! So now the majority or minority can forget what has really been done in Malaysia by the present government.
All these just seem pure politics. Divide and rule policy is the legacy that the British rulers have left behind for the ex-colonies.Whom can we blame?
It amazes me everyday Marina that you can so straightfacedly condemn the current government without ever alluding to your father's reign. Was he any different? Ops Lalang? U r not your father, but u r not unbiased..
Dear Disabled Malaysian,
I qoute "Why hasnt Tun said anything? Can he help us. " It will be good if Tun Mahathir doesnt say anything for the time being. He used to comment on alot of wrong doings in the country, but each time he did that especially last year, PM supporters replied with the cruelest remarks about him - he didnt deserve it for being a father who shaped the country, a true statesman. Now is not the time for anybody to speak against Tun. It is extremely important for Tun to rest. - from Tuns' supporters
A woman's father does not maketh the woman.
If you, Marina Mahathir, stood for election, I would gladly vote for you.
If you genuinely want your 'silent' voice to be heard, why not stand for election and be an example to us all?
What I do know is that I don't want our streets to be turned into war zone areas. I feel that the best way forward is through negotiations. Peace for all! I'm also part of the silent majority. Enough of street protests.
I hate to bring this up for fear of being considered too brash BUT as long as the NEP and its racist policies are still in effect - the government and those who elected them into power are racists. I have no respect for racists and will never have. I am pretty sure that I am not alone in this matter.
Dear Dorothy,
How would negotiations would work?
What will be your suggestion to make it work?
So far they have never negotiated with us when they increased the toll, increased the cigarettes, increased the alchoholic drinks duty, raised the petrol price, add addition 5% tax on all hawker foods if i am not mistaken, buying a 5 billion dollar submarine, scrap the is it 100 million dollar crooked bridge, then the another 100 milion dollar sports centre in uk, or the billion dollar space program (tour) etc - (suspected ahem our deputy pm is crazy about military toys maybebuying jet migs and replacing Nuri helis soon..probably another few billion on our tax dollars), placing millions of dollars on tak nak campaign, we would have long negotiated with them to please please, even begged them on the knees to just give us a (1) billion dollar to improve our health care system where the doctors have blundered and left a kid with only one arm, a scissors into a poor womans tummy, a nurse flushing the poor boys severed finger, my friends mom who have died just because of a knee surgery. The hospitals would have saved millions of dollars being sued by patients and family just by adding another few million to improve the system, that would be the time I and every single one of us would be happy if we would have the ability to negotiate for all the things that we want.
The thing is I have found out countries example like the french have all the benefits though they taxes were pretty high like 30% or more, they were having patrol doctors (yes the ones with cb radios and a car touring around the city) who would come over to your house to diagnose you and give you medicine for free, goverment would provide them a nanny for 3 months for all newly birth mothers to teach them how to take care of their children and even cook and clean their laundry for them which is all subsidies by the goverment. They even have a day care centre for the kids which also cost like a buck for a whole day.The doctors are highly paid in goverment and they are not forced to work for low pay and all that because all this are covered by their citizens taxes!. The middle class though are heavily taxed like 30% plus on their salary but guess what! their major expenses are grocery and holiday tours! Not school education, travel expenses, health care expenses, pharmacy drugs (which are all subsidised) etc. Guess how did they come about to obtain the benefits? They protested! There is one news I read, the vast majority of the people actually protested during work days for more than a week causing their transportations, business operations to stall causing the goverment loss of millionsor isit billions of dollars and the gov has to comply. Well if it works for the french would it fumble here? Maybe thats why our malaysian gov is afraid of us having the idea of protesting. ahem peacefully.
If you do not believe on the benefits of the french people that i just mentioned why not check it out yourself.. google it even check out canada, australia... oh yeah leave out US..mind my english...Just another additional cool info..in canada...not only the pharmacy where drugs you need are subsidised so as the hospitals.. the only cashier which are located in the gov hospitals are meant to pay you cash for your transportation home...well its just my opinions i'd like to share.. apologies to anyone whom might I offend on the statements or issues i raised or the mistakes on some statements which i am not aware on and needed to be corrected....thks for listening
Thats why more and more people are in the mode of "If you don't like it, Get out of Malaysia!" kinda mood. Wished I had known who actually said it..:)
I am not regular in this blog but for MM's sakes was browsing. I can't help noticing and replying to some of the comments in general.
Someone said don't like to see the streets to become war zones. This kind of persons are the ones needed ny the BN. Sorry if I am curt but the fact is, who made it into a war zone. the parties concerned wanted to organise a walk or rally what ever you call it, which is perfectly normal in democtratic/developed countries. I am sure they had better things to do and not to waste time, unless they thought it was important. I have seen very 'abusive' marches in London streets by certain relious groups....still there was law and order. Police made sure it does not go out of hand. If some exessive/ non permissable things done by minority of them,they were handled through open court etc in civilised manner.
I am yet to see chemical lased water and tear gas being shot atpublic for arms free peaful rally. They would not even do it to animals here.
If memorandoms are looked at and problems are addressed, countless number of Hindrafs memoes would have solved most of the problems. The problem with our policians is that they think they are doing job so perfect that there is no need for improvement.Anyone critisizing is 'so super bad that he can leave the country'. I have seen in you tube how our parlimentarian behave. I am amazed how the oppostion members are being treated. Even if sensible thing is said ..no one accept just because its from the oppostion. When a ruling party member does not agree to some thing he has to meet the whip face alienation what have you.If the big boss says the moon is square..the rest MUST say yes! How rediculous. What rubbish democracy is this? Demo crazy!
I am not Hindraf member, infact I am in overseas. But i do not totally oppose their struggle.They have been obviously at the ground unlike the MIC who do not see reality.( I still cannot get the idea that the PM wants to protect Samy inspite of his utter failure)
Thats political culture in malaysia. People should also think for themselves and just don't believe what the government wants you to think. I feel the ruling party members in our country think they own the goverment and get away with anything and everything. Especially the UMNO's young. Evry one makes stupid statements.I wounder if the PM has control over them? The young leaders are not following what our forefathers did.Respect one another. Its the tax payers money. They are mere care takers! they are elected by the poeple.
So please if a child rebels/ makes we study the reasons, we just don't put him in prison.Most of the time the fault is in the parents! There must be a reason why so many people turned up for the BERSIH and Hindraf rally? Mind you in malaysia this is almost unthinkable. But they did. Why?
Why now the PM wated to meet Indian NGO's. Why did not do it when a memorandom was presented to him in Putra Jaya? Only MIC can do everything for Indians? You mean they cannot fail? The PM should have checked why the Indians are sending memos if MIC was doing a good job?
The BN has been so comfortable with 2/3 majority that they they can even change the constitution just for one man and they take things for granted.
Malaysia is a beutiful country on its own. Nothing can match its uniqueness. But of late many of the groups are having crisis. The rich getting riches and the poor getting poorer, and the policians do not respect the peoples needs. The immigrant workers are treated so badly. Some Malays are are having probelems with their identity.Like Saudara Anuar Ibrahim put it, they think Islam is Arabization. They even shun the beautiful Malay culture and dresses, and directly or indirectly promote division amongs Malays as well as non Malays.
The goverment on the other hand has the devide and rule policy. So where are we heading? When can we all be treated as Malaysians. When will our ID cards not have race and religion? When will we have a non races based party? When will we be able to sue someone for racial abuse, which seem to be anorm in our beloved country.
Even in countries like Philippines..every one is a FILIPINO!
I am longing for the day when I will be called a Malaysian...only not refering to race.
Dear MM,
This is something I wrote a while back that was ignored by The Star... maybe you can publish this?
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I’m writing in response to all the negative views that your paper published ever since the BERSIH march on the 10th of November 2007 in particular the letter from NOT EASILY SWAYED entitled Illegal gathering a pain for road-users. To think that a fellow citizen actually wrote in to complain that they missed a musical because of the march completely baffles me. If only the author was a little more well-read, then they would’ve managed to avoid any inconvenience by actually knowing that there would be a march. Yes, a march, not a demonstration.
It is people like this that do not seem to care about the political situation in the country that makes it what it is today. I bet the author is not even registered to vote. There they were, people who were brave enough to ask for a change on behalf of the weaker citizens and then you get people like this whining that they missed a musical.
Maybe I should remind you that if it wasn’t for Gandhi’s Salt March in 1930, India probably wouldn’t be what she is today. If it wasn’t for the People Power in the Philippines in a peaceful demonstration in 1986, Imelda Marcos would probably still be expanding her shoes collection.
Yes, we are not Myanmar or Pakistan. But without the political will to request for changes, there never will be and a country will stay stagnant or even go backwards. Peaceful demonstration and marches are not meant to hinder someone from going to a musical or doing their weekend grocery shopping. It is a higher calling for the betterment of our future and the future of our children. Ignorance is certainly not bliss.
One more thing... Suruhan Jaya Pilihanraya recently purchased transparent ballot boxes in preparation for the coming general election. The cost of these transparent boxes? A staggering RM16 million! But having transparent ballot boxes doesn't not mean the election process itself is transparent now, is it? They really think we all have no grey matter? Puhleeze!
aduh.. apsal la. malay are forgetting something here. all this nonsense are making me racist now. i dont like that.. kecoh betul, kalau dah keling tu.. keling jugak! gedebak gedebuk gedebak gedebuk.. bising jer.
"Indians make up the largest Medical students from Malaysia abroad. But these people don’t want to help their own communities. They are envious each other or there should be caste mid.
Tamils screw themselves and blame government for it"
now, i salute tun. i respect the present pm, can we help him to make this country greater. dont care what u get in return. if you think this is your country, do it for your kids.. for the future generations. you adult are so selfish of your own need.
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