Thursday May 22, 2008
School Uniforms Sexy, Says Group
KUALA LUMPUR: A Malaysian group condemned the uniform worn by girls at government schools, saying it encouraged rape and pre-marital sex.
“The white blouse is too transparent for girls and it becomes a source of attraction,” National Islamic Students Association of Malaysia vice-president Munirah Bahari said in a statement.
“It becomes a distraction to men, who are drawn to it, whether or not they like looking at it,” she said, calling for a review of uniform policy so that it did not violate Islamic ideals.
In multicultural Malaysia, home to majority-Muslim Malays as well as ethnic Chinese and Indians, female students at government schools have a choice of wearing a white blouse with a knee-length skirt or pinafore.
They may also wear a “baju kurung” and a headscarf is optional for Malay students.
Munirah said that “covering up” according to Islamic precepts was important to fend off social ills, including “rape, sexual harassment and even premarital sex.”
“This leads to babies born out of wedlock and, to an extent, even prostitution,” she said.
“Decent clothes which are not revealing can prevent and protect women from any untoward situations,” she said, suggesting that girls wear a blouse of a different colour or with an undergarment.
However, the girls themselves also came in for criticism, with the association saying that some used the white blouse to lure men.
“This is the source of the problem, where we can see that schoolgirls themselves are capable of using this to attract men to them,” Munirah said.
“This could see them getting molested, having premarital sex and all sorts of things.” – AFP
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If we need more proof that our education system is producing intellectual midgets, this is it.

107 comments:
This is evidence of the preoccupation of these guys and their groups. I suppose they record in this little black diary every time they encounter a stirring and a rising around their groins.
These paedophilic mindined individuals are a threat to society. I cannot even understand how it was that their statements are even reported. I suppose they have in some way succeeded in putting in my mind a reminder that the next time I see a school girl I am supposed to look for what it is about her dressing that stirs my imagination. My got, there should be a register to record all these sickos. It is these guys who need to be locked up under the ISA!!
Sometimes i think theres a quota of stupid things people must say to the press every month.
marina,
what is so stupid about covering up to prevent rape and sexual harassment? what is the problem with their voicing their opinion? if their opinion is different than yours, so it is called stupidity? in your post you dont give argument why their opinion is wrong but called them midget and stupid. please, give your side of opinion and have an academic and mature "debate".
I agree with the above article
stupid kan this article?
Give me your thoughts on the sadness that happens around us at..
http://ezrazlin.blogspot.com/2008/05/what-did-they-do-wrong.html
Dear Datin,
I'm baffled by what I've just read. Whoever that Munirah is, she is a female as well. How could she undermine all females like this?
During my days in Convent school, our Malay girls wear baju kurung with head scarf, non-Malay girls wear pinafore. It has never crossed our mind to attract boys from other schools or our male teachers!
Either she has never been to school or she's silly enough to take in excuses by those itchy males *roll eyes*
"..our education system is producing intellectual midgets.."
How true it is!. Well, sorry to say that your father is one of the contributing factor for the degradation.
Why do they always blame the external factors instead of doing some soul-searching or look inwards to oneself? I strongly think that the restrictions based on religious grounds are building revolt in the young minds.
Any moral decadence in their community, they conveniently shift the blame as "unislamic". Shit!
Munirah, try being more practical and not embark on a witch hunt. Think, in your desperate attempt to find a cause or something to blame, you have reached a point where a simple white blouse becomes a BIG problem.
Rapists would rape even if you walk around in yr 'purdah'. Criminals are just what they are and should be dealt with accordingly ... with added severity when it involves children and women.
Either schoolgirls are using 'white blouse' to attract men or are extra keen to indulge in premarital sex - only proper EDUCATION / KNOWLEDGE / AWARENESS & UNDERSTANDING Of the yound mind could help solve these menace among us.
p/s Munirah, I wonder what would be your take on 'Drug Abuse' in our country. Should we blame the pharmacies?
As usual, neverending issue in our dear country.
"Women enticing men to commit sexual crimes upon themselves."
This makes Malaysia to be a continuous laughing stock of the world.
I was speechless, then I was laughing my innards out...
Why? Well because according to Munirah, wearing a school uniform makes all men predatory animals who are out to molest, have premarital sex and all sorts of things...
Our school admins used to be really anal about having us wear singlets under our blouses so that our bra straps didn't show. I had the singlet AND a blazer, so it's not like it mattered.
The rest of the article? W.T.F. I feel like doing a Hulk Smash now. If you're really concerned about rape, DO SOMETHING MORE PRODUCTIVE THAN THIS.
Dear Marina,
What poppycock!
The women are always vilified aren't we? To make it worse we are being vilified by our own kind. Aiyoh!!
If we can teach our sons respect for the opposite sex, regardless the temptations and teach our daughters to respect themselves, then half the battle could be won, no? Sigh!
Alice's Cat
Always the easy way out and no solution.
Typical Malaysian NGO SOP.
It does make one wonder if this half-past-six leader thingy is a contagious epidemic?
Somehow I do agree that the girl's school uniform, i mean the white baju kurung, is quite alluring.
The bra is noticeable by just looking at it.
How wonderful it would be if it was a woman's dressing that brings about rape and pre-marital sex. Then all a woman has to do is cover from top to toe. Unfortunately that is not the case. There are many elements involved that causes a person to commits rape or engage in pre-marital sex. To put the blame on dressing is just a lazy, narrow and bias way of looking at these 2 issues.
Malaysian talibans? Time to stipulate that ALL females be 'burqa-ed' so that everyone will be heaven-bound!
I've been using baju kurung white in color for the past..so many years and i never complaint about it. Why now?
Aiyaaa!
Hey Aunty M,
Sorry, but what?!?!? What a waste of an education since it looks like the people who said this obviously spent all their school-days looking at girls' blouses (or rather, what is underneath it)...
May I add that a lot of schools, especially Convent schools, actually make it a 'rule' that students wear camisoles?
May I also add that most girls in public schools (except perhaps, Prefects, Librarians and Form 6 girls who usually wear a skirt and blouse) wear a pinafore over their blouse, which means you don't get to see much anyway?
How can anyone say something as stupid as our Malaysian school uniforms being a turn-on?
I have a feeling these people will get a massive heart attack+stroke if they went to a nudist beach!
Which, when you think about it, might not be such a bad thing after all...We'll have less of these statements...;)
Marina,
Freedom Sex Is Good For You
(let there be no rules!!!)
Let us be for FREE SEX - BUT SAFE!
As the Austrian
and the other kiddy lovers
front and back
let there be no sex
in laws and taboos
Let us be for FREE SEX - BUT SAFE!
only with the non-muslim,
the jews and christians too
nothing be sacrosanct sex
Let us be for FREE SEX - BUT SAFE!
The muslims are fools and slaves
forever chained to their laws
and dream of horny houris -
leave them alone their
impotent, sterile rights:
sanctimonious sex slaves!
Let us be for FREE SEX - BUT SAFE!
(you don't want the curses
you can think can't you)
If Munirah can support her claim with statistics which show that no women who were covered up were ever raped as they couldnt arouse the male animals out there, then we should seriously consider this proposal.
If by changing the colour of the baju kurung and if wearing of the tudung can make women unattractive to men and STOP rape then the Government should consider making Munirah advisor soon.
I suggest all women be dressed it card board boxes so that we males cannot see their body shapes, or else we may get aroused too.
Munirah is brilliant, she must be from MARA
A.kum Datin,
1. Sorry Datin kerana keluar tajuk?
2. Dr.M keluar UMNO kerana marah Pak Lah. Saya pula BURNT my blog kerana Chelsea kalah.
3. So me and Dr.M sama perangai and style.
http://www.penyokong-kj.blogspot.com
Wahahahahaha!!!! I laughed and laughed. Men!!
For Goodness sake la.. that uniform was here long before I was born and that is nearly half a century ago!!! Sexy??!! Are these buggers' expectation or shall I say definition of sexy that low?? If so, than I suppose these buggers will wank themselves dry if they come across a picture of Saloma during her hey days in her tight kebaya, lacy and cone shaped bras!! Oh dear!!! dried looking men or even women are not a pretty sight!
Seriously, these buggers cannot get it into their dinosaur heads (the one with brains la.. if there is any la) that it is not the uniform but perhaps the body language and a lot other factors. How la!?? I propose these buggers be shipped off to an island to play LOST! That will keep their minds on other things but uniforms!
Sigh... men these days... are shocking!
I just dont understand it. What the *frenchword* were they thinking about by saying all this crap?
The moment I read the article, i guessed as much that you'll be putting it up in your blog.
I would really love to read what other Malaysians.. or let me rephrase that. women have to say about this super ignorant observation.
:)
A.kum Datin,
1. Ok now I am a black
2. Malaysian want pupils black like me?
3. So which one better white or black?
su-kj
They never learn don't they?
There should be an award for General Sweeping Statements...
but I wonder who she's consulting to come to this conclusion... what a bunch of perverts they must be.
Dear Marina,
Iam not a woman. Obviously you can tell.
However when people like NSAM starts making statements like that, well really, I don't know about the women or the female students, I feel it's down right insulting.
I seriously felt like knocking my head on the concrete wall when I read it in the news today. I mean, seriously? I'm ashamed to read this kind of crap coming from an organization that claims to represent my religious beliefs, AND a woman.
As long as fathers (and mothers, god knows WHY) don't teach their sons to respect other people's daughters, heinous crimes against women will keep on happening. As for pre-marital sex, it takes two to tango, transparent white blouses optional.
Hi MM...
Feel it would be better if girls/women are NOT allowed to leave homes...like in days gone by...Ha ha!
But then again, what abt the threat from within the home itself? Those stepfathers, Uncles, relatives & what-have-you?
Maybe all female newborns should not be allowed to survive at all...yup, maybe that should do it!
Then again, where will all the future men come from?
Only God knows...
What a nonsense. Sexy dressing encourages rape? You can't blame others when you commit crime. It's your responsibility. I'm not an advocate of feminism. However, I certainly hope people can think rationally. The way they comment show how stupid they are.
Dear Marina
I went to school in the 60's &
70's. My Malay friend and I were never tempted to abuse or molest our female colleagues who wore white blouses and knee length skirts, let alone contemplate rape.
The incidence of molests and rapes of schoolgirls in those deacdes were few and far between that one could count them on the fingers of one hand.
Equally, my sister who is 5 years older to me and schooled at BBGS, had an incident free 13.
So, what gives with this tirade from NISA & Ms Munirah.
I suspect that they would like to see all schoolgirls decked out in black completely from head to toe -a Pro-Taliban/Iran/Saudi Islamic Agenda by any name!
If you still get more molests and rape, then what? Chop off body parts of offenders?
Ms Munirah would do well to look elsewhere for the causes of our social ills - over-rapid industrialisation and emphasis on materialism & paper qualification, displaced rural youth in urban areas, the rise of the Mullahs & social repression.
Sorry to say that, but this kind of unmatured and childish statement really makes the non-malays (in fact i dont want to use this phrase) very uneasy and angry. This is because they always use the word "ISLAM". ISLAM never causes discrimination, but these people has brought down ISLAM.
The uniform MIGHT be distracting, but will it encourages rape and pre-marital sex?
If this is the case, then they (members of that association) must not earn and use any kind of money because MONEY CAN LEAD TO CRIMES!
If your heart is pure, will you say so?
The moment I read that in the Star, I thought you might comment on it in your blog!
Of all the utterly ridiculous comments made about the suggestiveness of totally decent and appropriate women's clothing, this one surely takes the cake. What next? They're gonna complain about nuns too?
The same sexual obsessions of the Malay Muslim male/female! They seem to be swayed by clothing! And the same unhelpful arguments!
If the fabric of the white blouse is too flimsy or transparent as some white fabrics can be, I suggest the Ministry or school Heads bulk order or specify fabrics of the right weight/thickness for both the blouse and pinafore for girls and shirt and trousers for boys.
Many schools in England have similar white/coloured combinations for both boys and girls uniforms but the fabric is of the right weight/thickness.
This is a suggestion worth considering because in this country, heat and sweat do make clothes cling to your body a little more.
Like Bill Hicks once said:
"You know what's ironic about these fundamental groups towards sex and pornography? It's that they're the ones who keep on telling their followers to reproduce!"
My reaction to that silly observation by the over-zealous old farts - ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
another attempt to stir up some issue to divert our attention to the core problems...
just ignore them i say...
What??? Ada lagi ke manusia yang berfikiran sempit sebegini?
I admit, women are to cover themselves modestly, but more for their own dignity, rather than to prevent men from raping them! Remember Nurul Hanis case or the engineer gal who was raped on the bus? (God bless their souls) Both were wearing tudung and one was wearing baju kurung - tu pun kena raped and murdered. Does it ensure that if we dress up the gals in so called proper uniforms, these perverted men will not be around to harass the gals? Cases like Nurin or Asmawi or Sharlinie will not happen again?
Whatever the gals wear, men should be dignified and strong enough not to get turned on by what they see, tak kisah la pakai tudung ke, pinafore ke baju kurung ke?
I long for the days when we gals running around for PE in our shorts and tshirts in schools, and none of us were raped or harassed, though the nearest harass we came across to were flashers!!!
Sighhhh, what is becoming to us now? Dont tell me the sight of gals in pinafore is enough to turn men on???
Good God...are these people for real?? i am lost here....
I think its because its easier to come up with blame than to address the causes to problems, which may actually involve some real thinking and uncomfortable truths.
Again and again women are being blamed for crimes against us. How come nobody is saying anything about the sickos that prey on school kids in the first place?
What next? Will we be banned from wearing shorts and tees at home because it will contribute to incest?
I guess that STUPID DIMWIT is so stifle that she cannot understand the word uniform & the guidelines.
Please show us the statistics that you & your members were RAPED when you were wearing the uniforms!
Direct it to Kerismuddin!
Maybe you should conduct a life demonstration your self by walking into PARLIAMENT parading your figure in order to catch the attention of our SEXIST BOCOR JOKERS MPs as proof that the uniform is indeed SEXY!
Some much more for BOOBS without BRAINS!
I am aghast that my little daughters & sisters are subjected to such DUMB ideas~!
hi, Aunty. My comment is for Cik Munirah.
Cik Munirah,
semasa zaman sekolah dahulu memang pernah saya jumpa, dan mungkin juga kenal rapat, dengan pelajar-pelajar perempuan yang “themselves are capable of using this to attract men to them”.
walaubagaimanapun, golongan pelajar yang saya maksudkan ini termasuk juga mereka yang “cover up”, sepertimana yang Cik Munirah sarankan.
justeru, saya rasa masalah di sini adalah masalah sikap dan bukannya masalah pakaian. sikap yang dimaksudkan pula bukannya sesuatu yang luar biasa atau apa-apa jenis kesan serpihan Budaya Kuning dan sebagainya.
sebaliknya, sikap ini adalah sikap yang normal dikalangan golongan remaja perempuan mahupun lelaki yang inginkan perhatian.
ada bermacam-macam cara untuk mereka mendapat perhatian. ada di antara mereka yang identitinya lebih terserlah kerana hebat dalam arena sukan atau akademik.
yang menjadi persoalan adalah pelajar-pelajar lain yang tidak berbakat dalam sukan atau akademik.
bagaimana mereka boleh menyerlahkan diri? nampaknya, mungkin melalui cara yang Cik Munirah katakan iaitu dengan mengguna tubuh fizikal sendiri.
tetapi mengapa? adakah masyarat kita atau sistem pelajaran yang sedia ada tidak memberi ruang lain untuk pelajar-pelajar ini menyerlahkan diri sehingga mereka perlu menggunakan cara itu? mungkinkah sikap ini satu menifestasi perasaan “low self-esteem”?
bagaimanakah kita boleh membantu mereka? masalah “low self-esteem”, contohnya, tidak boleh diselesaikan dengan kain ela, Cik Munirah. ia satu masalah dalaman.
mungkin sebagai Naib Presiden National Islamic Students Association of Malaysia, Cik Munirah dan rakan-rakan seperjuangan perlu mengkaji aspek ini.
ia juga penting dalam usaha memahami dan menangani gejala sosial lain seperti melepak, ponteng sekolah, bau gam dan juga bohsia atau bohjan yang nyata-nyata majoriti melibatkan pelajar-pelajar Islam.
dalam kenyataan akhbar diatas, Cik Munirah juga mengaitkan pakaian tidak bertudung atau “unIslamic” dengan “babies born out of wedlock and, to an extent, even prostitution”.
saya hormat dan menghayati pendekatan Islam yang lebih “preventive”; yang menyaran ummahnya berpakaian tertib menutup aurat.
walaubagaimanapun, kenyataan Cik Munirah adalah satu “logical fallacy” seolah-oleh mengatakan mereka yang bertudung tidak ada yang terlibat dengan “babies born out of wedlock” atau pelacuran.
ini satu kenyataan yang umum dan simplistik, malah tidak benar. ia juga menjemput kritikan kepada masyarakat Islam yang sememangnya sedang mengalami krisis “public relations” yang teruk akhir-akhir ini.
saya harap Cik Munirah dan rakan-rakan dapat menghalusi lagi isu ini dengan kajian yang lebih mendalam. kita sedang mengalami satu masalah sosial yang tidak boleh selesaikan dengan menyelimut diri dalam kain ela sahaja.
selain itu, National Islamic Students Association of Malaysia perlu mengambil kira golongan remaja lelaki juga.
“rape” dan “sexual harrasment” sepertimana tercatat dalam kenyataan di atas secara amnya perbuatan kaum lelaki terhadap perempuan.
mengapa tiada kajian dan kenyataan pihak Association berkenaan hal ini? adakah masalah pelajar lelaki tidak dipeludikan? atau … adakah pihak Cik Munirah menganggap sifat jahat ini sebagai sesuatu yang semulajadi atau sanubari bagi golongan lelaki?
saya minta maaf jika menyinggung perasaan sesiapa dalam komen saya ini. tetapi, ia ikhlas dan bertujuan baik.
saya harap Cik Munirah dan rakan-rakan dapat membuat kenyataan yang lebih logik dan praktikal di masa hadapan.
thanx.
hi, Aunty. My comment is for Cik Munirah.
Cik Munirah,
semasa zaman sekolah dahulu memang pernah saya jumpa, dan mungkin juga kenal rapat, dengan pelajar-pelajar perempuan yang “themselves are capable of using this to attract men to them”.
walaubagaimanapun, golongan pelajar yang saya maksudkan ini termasuk juga mereka yang “cover up”, sepertimana yang Cik Munirah sarankan.
justeru, saya rasa masalah di sini adalah masalah sikap dan bukannya masalah pakaian. sikap yang dimaksudkan pula bukannya sesuatu yang luar biasa atau apa-apa jenis kesan serpihan Budaya Kuning dan sebagainya.
sebaliknya, sikap ini adalah sikap yang normal dikalangan golongan remaja perempuan mahupun lelaki yang inginkan perhatian.
ada bermacam-macam cara untuk mereka mendapat perhatian. ada di antara mereka yang identitinya lebih terserlah kerana hebat dalam arena sukan atau akademik.
yang menjadi persoalan adalah pelajar-pelajar lain yang tidak berbakat dalam sukan atau akademik.
bagaimana mereka boleh menyerlahkan diri? nampaknya, mungkin melalui cara yang Cik Munirah katakan iaitu dengan mengguna tubuh fizikal sendiri.
tetapi mengapa? adakah masyarat kita atau sistem pelajaran yang sedia ada tidak memberi ruang lain untuk pelajar-pelajar ini menyerlahkan diri sehingga mereka perlu menggunakan cara itu? mungkinkah sikap ini satu menifestasi perasaan “low self-esteem”?
bagaimanakah kita boleh membantu mereka? masalah “low self-esteem”, contohnya, tidak boleh diselesaikan dengan kain ela, Cik Munirah. ia satu masalah dalaman.
mungkin sebagai Naib Presiden National Islamic Students Association of Malaysia, Cik Munirah dan rakan-rakan seperjuangan perlu mengkaji aspek ini.
ia juga penting dalam usaha memahami dan menangani gejala sosial lain seperti melepak, ponteng sekolah, bau gam dan juga bohsia atau bohjan yang nyata-nyata majoriti melibatkan pelajar-pelajar Islam.
dalam kenyataan akhbar diatas, Cik Munirah juga mengaitkan pakaian tidak bertudung atau “unIslamic” dengan “babies born out of wedlock and, to an extent, even prostitution”.
saya hormat dan menghayati pendekatan Islam yang lebih “preventive”; yang menyaran ummahnya berpakaian tertib menutup aurat.
walaubagaimanapun, kenyataan Cik Munirah adalah satu “logical fallacy” seolah-oleh mengatakan mereka yang bertudung tidak ada yang terlibat dengan “babies born out of wedlock” atau pelacuran.
ini satu kenyataan yang umum dan simplistik, malah tidak benar. ia juga menjemput kritikan kepada masyarakat Islam yang sememangnya sedang mengalami krisis “public relations” yang teruk akhir-akhir ini.
saya harap Cik Munirah dan rakan-rakan dapat menghalusi lagi isu ini dengan kajian yang lebih mendalam. kita sedang mengalami satu masalah sosial yang tidak boleh selesaikan dengan menyelimut diri dalam kain ela sahaja.
selain itu, National Islamic Students Association of Malaysia perlu mengambil kira golongan remaja lelaki juga.
“rape” dan “sexual harrasment” sepertimana tercatat dalam kenyataan di atas secara amnya perbuatan kaum lelaki terhadap perempuan.
mengapa tiada kajian dan kenyataan pihak Association berkenaan hal ini? adakah masalah pelajar lelaki tidak dipeludikan? atau … adakah pihak Cik Munirah menganggap sifat jahat ini sebagai sesuatu yang semulajadi atau sanubari bagi golongan lelaki?
saya minta maaf jika menyinggung perasaan sesiapa dalam komen saya ini. tetapi, ia ikhlas dan bertujuan baik.
saya harap Cik Munirah dan rakan-rakan dapat membuat kenyataan yang lebih logik dan praktikal di masa hadapan.
thanx.
What do you mean these people? Who are they? Are they aliens? The ones who do not share your ideals and thoughts. But before 'we' point fingers at 'them' let see the rationale.
White - Yes, can be too thin and a bit 'see through'
(Even the wet t-shirts contest girls wear white - for 'same reason')
And then because of the same reasons then there is the rule of wearing camisoles under those white blouses.
So is it really wrong for 'them' to point out the obvious?
I find Munirah's comments myopic. And discriminatory as well: what about men and boys in shorts and singlets? Does Munirah get distracted and have wild thoughts of sex in her head?
i dont think we need any more proof of the failings of our education systems.
it is now high time for us to revamp it for the sake of our country!
we need to put a halt to the mass production of students like Munirah!
vote SiPM for a better education for all Malaysians!
However, the girls themselves also came in for criticism, with the association saying that some used the white blouse to lure men.
“This is the source of the problem, where we can see that schoolgirls themselves are capable of using this to attract men to them,”
So why not ban white blouses for women? 'Cos otherwise, outside school hours some might put them on to lure men, and get molested or have premarital sex!
“This could see them getting molested, having premarital sex and all sorts of things.”
And all sorts of things! Yes, that's it! They could go on to live a happy life, unmolested and successful.
This article is ridiculous. If a woman walks naked down the street, that does not give any man the right to molest her. That is what men should know.
"what is so stupid about covering up to prevent rape and sexual harassment"
It isn't merely about covering up to prevent rape and sexual harassment. The bigger, more disturbing fact is that there are people out there who actually think that the menfolk would get turned on (enough to want to rape or sexually harass) by these schoolgirls who in absolutely NO WAY look indecent or to put it crudely, look whorish, in their school uniform.
I am not a man, but I can say this with certainty- if I am, I would be deeply insulted by the fact that there are people of stature out there who thinks that I have the sexual instincts of an animal. What is next? The mere sight of a woman's ankle or a bare arm turning on a man? Will these people one day advocate the mandatory use of the black abayah covering a woman from head to toe to deter rape and sexual harassment? And even if this should be the case, can anyone guarantee that this will be a surefire deterrent for sexual crimes? If a man is capable of rape, he will do so regardless of what the woman is wearing.
"what is the problem with their voicing their opinion?"
No problem at all except I thought that we were all living in a modern, educated society where men and women are taught from young to respect each other equally. Even if a woman is dressed provocatively, does that give the man the right to sexually harass/rape her? Such statements are simply confounding.
Let us not forget that we live in a multi-racial society, where we not only have to acknowledge each other's existence but to also learn to understand each other. Statements like these do nothing but cultivate fear in the hearts of non-muslims. We fear that one day our rights and way of living will no longer be tolerated and we will be subjected to these puritanical standards.
Let me sum up what this article did to me today:
1. they have debased not only the women (by making them seem like mere sexual objects that should be bound and covered in order to not tempt men) but the men too (by equating them to sexual beasts)
2. I wonder now how many more organizations/people out there have the same opinion as the National Islamic Students Association of Malaysia. It just makes my stomach churn in utter disgust to know that an association whose main goal, I believe, is to look after the welfare of its students, has issued such statements.
This article isn't just stupid. It is disturbing, to say the least.
Sister,
pls read between the line. The English translation is out of context. In deed, it shows ur typical perception and secular minded. What so bother about this issue? It is because u allowed girl student to wear modestly. That all
Keputusan
PKPIM cadang kerajaan rombak sistem pemakaian pelajar perempuan
Nyza Ayob
Thu | May 22, 08 | 2:18:43 pm MYT
KUALA LUMPUR, 22 Mei (Hrkh) - Persatuan Kebangsaan Pelajar Islam Malaysia (PKPIM) mencadangkan kepada Kementerian Pelajaran Malaysia agar merombak semula sistem pemakaian pelajar perempuan di sekolah rendah dan menengah.
Menurut Naib Presiden HEWI, PKPIM, Munirah Bahari cadangan agar Kementerian Pelajaran membuat rombakan ke atas pakaian seragam sekolah pelajar perempuan yang berwarna putih itu demi memenuhi syariat dan tuntutan agama Islam.
Jelasnya penukaran warna baju tersebut nampak sesuai dan tidak jarang untuk dipakai oleh pelajar perempuan.
Katanyanya, PKPIM melihat konsep menutup aurat itu penting dan perlu didedahkan kepada masyarakat Islam terutama yang melibatkan muslimah. Tambahan pula pakaian yang sopan dan menutup aurat boleh mencegah dan melindungi wanita daripada berlaku sebarang perkara yang tidak diingini.
"Akhir-akhir ini kita sering disajikan dengan kes sosial, rogol, gangguan seksual mahupun hubungan seks sebelum perkahwinan yang melibatkan remaja wanita belasan tahun. Kebanyakan mereka terdiri daripada pelajar-pelajar sekolah.
"Implikasi daripada kejadian ini maka berlakulah kelahiran bayi luar nikah, pembuangan bayi mahupun pelacuran. Isu yang melibatkan keselamatan diri remaja merupakan isu yang perlu diberikan perhatian oleh semua pihak," katanya, dalam satu kenyataan kepada Harakahdaily.
Bagaimanapun katanya, masih terdapat pihak yang memandang sambil lewa hal ini. Jelasnya, pemakaian baju sekolah berwarna putih itu sendiri mempunyai daya tarikan supaya lelaki mendekatinya.
"Pakaian merupakan cerminan akhlak seseorang muslim dan Islam sangat menitik beratkan perihal pakaian menurut Islam. Baju berwarna putih tersebut sangat jarang untuk dipakai oleh pelajar perempuan menyebabkan ada daya tarikan di situ. Lebih-lebih lagi ia akan mengganggu mata lelaki, sama ada suka melihatnya atau pun tidak.
"Di sinilah punca yang boleh kita saksikan terjadinya perkara-perkara seperti pencabulan, penzinaan dan sebagainya. Hakikatnya, kita tidak mahu perkara sebegini berlaku di negara kita," katanya.
Beliau menegaskan seharusnya remaja perempuan perlu bersifat 'assertif' terhadap sesuatu perbuatan yang mencabuli kehormatan mereka. Katanya, apa yang terjadi sekarang ialah mereka tidak tegas dan membiarkan diri mereka diperlakukan apa sahaja oleh sesiapa.
Sehubungan itu beliau mengharapkan penilaian terhadap baju sekolah pelajar perempuan perlu dilakukan oleh Kementerian Pelajaran secepat mungkin.
"Jika Kementerian Pelajaran ingin mengekalkan warna putih tersebut, PKPIM mencadangkan agar pelajar perempuan diwajibkan untuk memakai singlet dalam ataupun tudung labuh kerana ia tampak lebih kemas, selesa dan selamat. Kami mengharapkan agar Kementerian Pelajaran bertindak tegas dalam menangani isu ini," katanya. -
Datin Paduka Marina,
I hope you don't mean to insult midgets by comparing their mental capacity to that of these small and feeble minded persons.
On second thought, I would not even insult the mentally handicapped by such a comparison. Sorry.
Pax.
Hilmi,
Read between what lines?
There is a slight diff between the english and Bahasa Malaysia version, but its essentially similiar.
"Pakaian merupakan cerminan akhlak seseorang muslim dan Islam sangat menitik beratkan perihal pakaian menurut Islam. Baju berwarna putih tersebut sangat jarang untuk dipakai oleh pelajar perempuan menyebabkan ada daya tarikan di situ...Di sinilah punca yang boleh kita saksikan terjadinya perkara-perkara seperti pencabulan, penzinaan dan sebagainya"
Walaupun saya bersetuju bahawa pakaian seragam berwarna putih adalah sedikit jarang, namun ia bukanlah punca kepada masalah sosial.
What a cow brain to tell us rape and molest are caused by dressing. I have yet to come across news reporting a woman was raped for wearing a bikini ... Anyone?
I remembered a Malay lady was raped inside a bus with tinted windows in Klang or one part of Selangor few years ago. Can anyone tell me if that lady was wearing a white blouse or sexy dress?
I don't know if Munirah is aware that some men will get turn-on by just looking at the eyes or lips of a girl or woman??
Hello Ladies & Gentlemen,
Maybe the Virginal Munirah is so obsessed with white which is the colour of purity when a bride is consider a Virgin ( Anak Dara ) when she is in a white wedding gown.
My God then all the Brides must be thoroughly protected otherwise all rapist will be running loose!
Secondly, if you observe in Night Clubs & Entertainment night spots the ladies of leisure DO NOT wear white BUT Little BLACK Dress or kinky black attire! Black underwear is sexy but white belongs to the puritans.
Does that mean the Black Hijab worn by Arabs majority are lump into the latter?
Please Guys & Girls who are mature Malaysians, do not be colour blind or impose your thoughts on everyone.
Have the decency to conduct actual studies & co-relate them with proper research & methodologies.
Sweeping statements only make Malaysians a laughing stock!
Sister Marina is here to enlighten us to the SUPERB BRAIN OF MUNIRAH & GANG who live in their own secluded world.
Clean up the pirated DVDs on Sex & over the Internet.
Teach the young ones on dangers of sexual predator. For goodness sake have Sex Education!
We Do not want Under Graduates who killed their babies by stuffing them in drawers or students delivering babies in toilet bowls.
Heck grow up Malaysians!
Good Luck Guys & Ladies !
Now I will go Bird Watching on those beautiful ladies fleeting around at Bintang Walk.
Trust ME I Have Never & Will Never Rape a Woman!!
God be by Witness! Amen !
These are the same NUMMSkulls who protested against the Gwen Stefani concert, incidentally, and come from the school of thought that backing up statements with facts and figures is something that's unnecessary.
Part of the "Such and such sweeping generalization is true because we say so" crew who are no credit to the faith they claim to champion...
I'd have blogged about this too had it not been on the road without reliable 'Net access...
hi, Aunty … and Cik Munirah.
i must say the original Malay statement reads significantly different from the AFP version, which seems to focus more on wanting to posture Cik Munirah like a fanatical Taliban.
the AFP article completely ignored the appeal to change the color of the white fabric used for school uniforms and went straight to the juicy-scandalous remarks [which of course we can argue about, but the point in the statement re fabric color was completely obliterated].
Cik Munirah, in the Malay statement, called for schools to make it compulsory for female students wearing see-through baju to wear singlets/camisoles.
[note : Jika (IF) Kementerian Pelajaran ingin mengekalkan warna putih tersebut, PKPIM mencadangkan agar pelajar perempuan diwajibkan untuk memakai singlet dalam ataupun (OR) tudung labuh kerana ia tampak lebih kemas, selesa dan selamat.]
i don’t see anything wrong with this appeal, and nothing creepily Taliban about it. i personally find it reasonable. AFP chose not to include this statement.
by the way, those of us from public school will know that other than uniforms made by Professor, the rest use cheap textiles that are quite see-through. even those by Professor [at least up to 1997] thin out after many washes.
that said, i personally think that if the issue is baju jarang, let’s wear singlets/camisoles. changing the fabric color won’t make much of a difference if the fabric is thin and low-quality anyway. plus, it’s a lot cheaper than having to revamp the uniform color nationwide.
i’d also like to point out another important point the AFP conveniently left out:
“Beliau menegaskan seharusnya remaja perempuan perlu bersifat 'assertif' terhadap sesuatu perbuatan yang mencabuli kehormatan mereka. Katanya, apa yang terjadi sekarang ialah mereka tidak tegas dan membiarkan diri mereka diperlakukan apa sahaja oleh sesiapa.”
nevertheless, i maintain my earlier comments re social ills vis-Ã -vis school uniform; that whatever social ills we’re talking about, especially relating to school teens, is beyond dress code. the Association must address this. also, that they have ignored boys’ behaviour, contribution to these social ills.
… and whatever happened to “lower thy gaze”?
Dear mohd hilmi ramli,
'..What so bother about this issue?..'
Come on la bro. I know you are PKPIM President and since Munirah is your comrade, you feel oblige to support her no matter how stupid her statement could be.
So you want to know why Muslims like me 'bother' about this kind of issue?
Because you guys call yourself Persatuan Kebangsaan Pelajar Islam Malaysia. You put Islam in the name and whenever you guys make stupid statements, Islam got bashed left and right.
When Islam got bashed, how a Muslim, even for secular minded Muslim like me, suppose to feel?
The same goes when you guys like to put the label Islam this and that and it turn out to be a failure. Nobody really bothers if Citibank make losses, but if Bank Islam recorded a RM600 million losses (some say it is close to 1 billion), whom should we blame when this is used as a proof that Islam means failure, losses and inefficiencies?
If the statement comes from an ordinary member, maybe it can be tolerated. But this gal is Vice President of PKPIM.
If she wanted so much to prove that there is a correlation between rape and white clothing, I strongly advice her to come up with sufficient data. A comprehensive survey would come handy.
But definitely no sweeping statements or should I say, stupid sweeping statements.
These statements serve as a proof, to myself atleast, that I am not wrong for supporting a full fledge secular state in Malaysia.
To Munirah Bahri, school girls in white uniforms don't turn me on. I seriously think that you are referring to your male comrades in PKPIM.
Support a secular state for Malaysia.
hmmm...i feel rather strongly on this subject, kak marina and dear friends, is because, it relates to me.
first, i was raised in a convent school where, pinafore, shorts and tshirts are our attire. i did wear baju kurung, but with camisoles and skin coloured bras - as the rule of the convent school. yes, i did go to convent and so is my elder daughter, Nadia...and we pass by under the cross daily...and alhamdulillah, we are what we are today.
the thing is, we always nak membangaukan orang lain atas kesalahan dan kelemahan diri sendiri. i dont have to highlight what my other friends had said in here but, enough said, that, we alwys stress on physical appearance...where as the essence, the core of us is not being emphasised. yes, appearances count, as i keep telling my university students, dress up well to the occasion and be adil, but, inner beauty is important too - faith, iman, principles - as these yang akan reflected on our appearances. no use if well covered tapi hati tak betul. stop judging people by their appearances. the inner part of of - oru emotional and spritual too, needs to be sharpened.
men always like beautiful things, women and perfume, men always like women. but, like in the correct way la...takkan la tengok budak sekolah pakai baju putih and skirt dah terangsang, kot? pakai baju kurung pun kena rape and murdered...
the thing is, we must educate our sons and men to be more intelligent...to be aroused intellectually that beauty is in the mind, not physically...our sons must be taught to respect women as women, not as sexual object...
we women on the other hand, we must learn to be modest, not necessarily in the appearance, but rohani tu lagi penting...imah, akidah, faith, self-esteem...we must educate our daughters and sisters to have dignity and pride as women created beautifully by god...that our beauty is meant to be cherished and develop ourselves and others and the ummah, and not to flaunt and use as weapon to bring men down...
cmon la, wake up la...sedih la like this...let's stop membangaukan on others and start taking things responsibly, please....
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I'll say the same thing I said in the comments to Meesh's note on this topic on Facebook:
Those school uniforms ARE sexy. Sorry.
HOWEVER...
This bullshit about how they might bring on rape or encourage premarital sex is absolutely INSANE. It's right up there with the comment a rep of some women's group made a few years back that every man is a potential rapist.
So let's see...Malaysian girls are sluts (or at least potential sluts) who bring rape upon themselves, and Malaysian boys are rapists (or at least potential rapists) who can't control their lustful urges.
Oh my goodness, does this country have issues or what?
Jordan
I am utterly, utterly embarassed to be sharing a country with the imbecile that made the statement.
Since when did something as boring and unimaginative as the school uniform became a sex symbol? Sigh...as Scott Adams (Dilbert) would say, "human stupidity is infinite".
Syabas alhadee!
Mohd Hilmi, cuba lah guna otak sikit dan jgn buat Islam malu lah!
tengok left & right, this is multi cultural. Support secular Malaysia!
Why is it that we are the victims yet and one to blame?
What are the rapists then? Humans who have natural sexual desires and were provoked by US?
I wish people like Munirah and her birdbrain group would just shut up and really stop making a public nuisance out of themselves. Otherwise, so much for our government promoting this "multicultural, colourful nation".
To Munirah,
QUIT TRYING TO INDIRECTLY CONVERT US ALL INTO MUSLIMS, making us follow Islamic rules because apparently, non-Muslims dress indecently?
Sure, I might be 17 but I sure am not naive and immature, for example people like yourself. Now here is my post dedicated to people like you: http://fattyfishiewords.wordpress.com/2008/05/22/the-last-straw/
Now you got the entire student population angered and disturbed. I hate to admit this but yeah, you really angered us non-Muslims.
WE DO WEAR CAMISOLES UNDER BAJU KURUNGS AND PINAFORES OVER OUR BLOUSES. Just thought you should update yourself before making public statements like these, making yourself nothing but a ninkenpoop.
This is not an Islamic country to be truthful, stop declaring and proclaiming that we are. Go ahead now and arrest us people who dare speak up against you for sedition.
It's a pity how people like yourself discriminate your own race and indirectly, your own religion.
To make a difference, why don't you turn your head around and for your motive's benefits, reinforce stricter law like DEATH SENTENCE FOR RAPISTS. Because otherwise, all these ridiculous precautionary steps would go to waste.
But actually. Either way, your efforts are already going to waste. You've just done us all a good favour really. HAHAH.
All that, and just a small note : NOT ALL OF US IN MALAYSIA ARE MUSLIMS, AND OUR RESPECTIVE RELIGIONS TEACHES US TO RESPECT OTHER RELIGIONS INSTEAD OF DISCRIMINATE OR TO OBEY THE OTHER RELIGION.
I find the Malay article every bit as insulting as the English translation. What 'taken out of context?'
Especially the part when she says "membiarkan diri mereka diperlakukan apa sahaja oleh sesiapa."
Oi! The very definition of rape consists of the word 'unwilling'. We're also talking about school children, kan? What can a girl do against a person many times bigger and stronger than her?
She's insulting rape victims and what's really sad is that as a women she should understand better.
I think the person who gave this idea notice this whole thing! This person bernafsu melihat budak sekolah! LOL! I bet she's a lesbo!
Come on! Whenever i look at school girls/boys, the only thing in my mind is Budak Busok. Yup! They are pretty smelly and give me a break! Rape them?! Come on! Give me better excuses next time!
Baju sekolah white in color has been used for ages and no one is complainign about them! You Called yourself PKIPM, but then you mind so narrow.. Free your mind laa
Oh yes..another thing.
"Menurut Naib Presiden HEWI, PKPIM, Munirah Bahari cadangan agar Kementerian Pelajaran membuat rombakan ke atas pakaian seragam sekolah pelajar perempuan yang berwarna putih itu demi memenuhi syariat dan tuntutan agama Islam."
Telekung is in white color. So maybe perhaps better you gals go and change your telekung color. Seksi wat!
sad to say it is a sweeping statement I have learnt to expect BUT I think modesty is all well and good but it's all about respect. Males respect the females and ditto. Mistrust, fear or some issues gain even bigger proportions if repressed further, ya know?
I have to admit, I hate the school uniforms, impractical, hard to clean/iron, blech. Polo shirts of decent material, shorts/long pants/skirts, seems so much more practical. I dunno.
I dread to think what will be next when my oldest boys go to govt school next year.
Thank you Munirah Bahari for being thoughtful and showing such concern for the safety and security of our daughters. I was unaware of such negative effects by our school uniform - rape? sexual harassment? pre marital sex? This is serious.
So what do you suggest we do? I have a few suggestions to start with:
1. Reintroducing the use of chestity belts. And we trust that the keys will be safely kept by the National Islamic Students Association of Malaysia?
2. We keep all women of all ages at home.
3. Increase the eunuch population.
Thank you Munirah Bahari for being thoughtful and showing such concern for the safety and security of our daughters. I was unaware of such negative effects by our school uniform - rape? sexual harassment? pre marital sex? This is serious.
So what do you suggest we do? I have a few suggestions to start with:
1. Reintroducing the use of chestity belts. And we trust that the keys will be safely kept by the National Islamic Students Association of Malaysia?
2. We keep all women of all ages at home.
3. Increase the eunuch population.
even when I was in school and being a mischevious guy, I never was turn on ny the uniform or look at them as sexy.
I think these guys ultimate aim maybe for all muslim women/girls to stay at home and not go to school or drive etc. seems that is where this is heading.
But damn kinky buggers this group. Nothing to do but look at school girls. Corruption etc, they don't see.
Hi Aunty Marina,
I don't get it...How come everytime something gets a lot of flack, it becomes a 'misquote', or a 'quoted out of context'? How come the 'misquote' or 'quoted out of context' is never in favour of the party who made the statement?
I can understand if one person misunderstands a statement (and then other parties and individuals jump the gun based on the misunderstood views of the person), but to have all newspapers (ok, fair enough, in this case, it's one press, AFP) misunderstand together-gether?
It's either the quality of our press is seriously very terrible in terms of learning to quote properly and also in terms of translations, OR, our politicians and public figures are 'cursed'!
I think we need help, either way...
I am totally digusted by the result of the poll done by TV3 tonite where 73% of the audience actually AGREE that the school uniform is the main factor for rape cases.
I am totally, extremely disgusted and frustrated and deeply insulted of this poll result, knowing that my future children will have to live in the shallow minded citizens..
hamzah,
Thanks bro. It is high time we take back OUR religion from the hand of these bigots.
They had done enough damage. Enough!
If you notice, their tactics is similar, to non Muslims they say 'this is our business, we mind our own, you mind yours', to Muslims they say 'our way is the right way in Islam and you must submit. No questions allowed..'
No. It cannot be tolerated anymore. We must stand firmly side by side with our sisters and say NO to them.
Muslims must confront them from now on.
weezered,
'..knowing that my future children will have to live in the shallow minded citizens..
I share your sentiments.
23 MEI 2008/ 17 JAMADILAWAL 1429 H
KENYATAAN BALAS ISU PEMAKAIAN SERAGAM SEKOLAH
Persatuan Kebangsaan Pelajar Islam Malaysia (PKPIM) merujuk kepada cadangan awal untuk menilai pakaian pelajar perempuan di sekolah yang perlu dinilai semula. Masyarakat perlu mengetahui dan melihat bahawa cadangan ini dibuat hanya kepada pelajar perempuan Islam sahaja. Kenyataan yang dikeluarkan sebelum ini adalah berteraskan kepada lima asas yang utama.
Pertamanya, isu ini bukan mahu menyalahkan pelajar perempuan, akan tetapi ia sebagai salah satu kaedah pencegahan (sad zarai’ik) di dalam Islam supaya pelajar perempuan tidak terdedah kepada ancaman luar dan masalah sosial akibat daripada pemakaian yang terlalu jarang. Langkah pencegahan ini sangat penting supaya mereka bebas daripada ancaman persekitaran mereka.
Keduanya, cadangan penukaran pakaian berwarna ini ditujukan kepada pelajar Islam, supaya cara pemakaian pelajar Islam selarii dengan Shariah dan tuntutan Islam itu sendiri. Dalam Islam, baju kurung sahaja tidak lengkap jika masih menayangkan tubuh badan. Pemakaian baju kurung kepada pelajar bukan Islam bukanlah satu paksaan kepada mereka, akan tetapi mereka yang berminat memakai baju kurung berwarna sangat digalakkan.
Asas yang ketiga ialah, ramai guru turut mengeluh sebenarnya kerana pemakaian pelajar perempuan yang terlalu jarang menyebabkan tumpuan guru terganggu. Ini akan menyebabkan keadaan yang tidak selesa kepada guru-guru tersebut.
Keempat, peranan ibu bapa sangat penting dalam urusan persekolahan pelajar di mana ibu bapa juga berperanan memilih pemakaian yang sesuai untuk anak-anak mereka.
Asas yang terakhir ialah PKPIM tidak menuduh persepsi lelakii Malaysia semua sebagai ‘mata keranjang’ akan tetapi secara fitrahnya mata lelaki akan mudah teransang dengan pemakaian yang ‘seksi’ atau yang tidak menutup aurat. Apatah lagi yang melihatnya nanti guru- guru yang bertanggungjawab mendidik mereka.
PKPIM berpandangan bahawa pakaian awam ini merupakan salah satu faktor daripada banyak faktor-faktor lain yang menyumbang kepada jenayah seksual. Tidak semua mereka yang berpakaian tidak menutup aurat atau terdedah itu semestinya menjadi mangsa, akan tetapi merupakan salah satu daripada faktor menyumbang kepada masalah gangguan seksual. Selain itu juga, pakaian yang terdedah itu turut menimbulkan rangsangan kepada lelaki-lelaki di persekitarannya. Sebenarnya, penjenayah itu dapat melihat dan teransang daripada orang yang tidak memakai tudung berbanding mereka yang bertudung atau menutup aurat.
PKPIM juga tidak menafikan bahawa mangsa jenayah seksual ada terdiri daripada mereka yang bertudung dan menutup aurat, di mana penjenayah tidak mengenal mangsanya. Tetapi hakikatnya, penjenayah seksual ini telah didedahkan dengan faktor-faktor seperti imej lucah, imejj tidak menutup aurat di media, internet, vcd lucah dan sebagainya.
PKPIM bertegas bahawa imej-imej lucah, pendedahan aurat , etika berpakaian ini merupakan antara salah satu faktor menyumbang kepada masalah ini.
PKPIM mengharapkan Kementerian Pelajaran dapat mempertimbangkan cadangan ini dan dinilai kembali kerana ia sangat penting kepada semua. Semoga usaha ini mendapat sokongan daripada pihak luar.
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you think this justifies her previous statement? i dont think so
I wore the same uniform, cycled to school and back home, from Form 1 to Form 5. My former school still stands. The girls still go to that school. Is the present Malaysian government getting more and more religiously extreme ? Don't tell us that one day that we the females, will have to wear something baggy and long sleeved and a fine of RM 500 will be imposed if seen to be wearing something sinful.
Abang Hitam Had,
In this context, by midget our dear Marina is very likely referring to the adjective application of the word - ie. a very small mind. Small of course, being metaphorical not literal.
In any case, calling a small person a midget is a form of an insult as well.
Back to the topic at hand, let's stop reading between the line and look at the bigger picture. Please.
The thing is, Munirah needs to understand that rapists have a more psychopathic agenda behind the crimes they commit. The victims are not seen as individuals but rather a representation of a collective that has created such a suppressed hate recessed deep inside the mind of the rapist (typically an abusive mother or a cheating lover).
She should understand that what the victim wears is superficial to the rapist and that the sexual act in the rape is not driven by sexual desires or berahi. Rather, it is a tool of expression, a tool of domination of the rapist towards his victim.
If what the victim wears is a critical criteria, then how would you explain crimes of rape in Saudi Arabia? - one of the most conservative countries I've ever visited.
There, every woman (regardless of religion) must wear a purdah and hijab on top of that, the very frightful retribution in the form of hudud is enforced by the book (of the Quran).
Still rape occurs, why?
Probably it's because to the perpetrator the pakaian is not important.
So stop focusing on that. Instead push for better education both sexual education and the respect for women. Focus on better safety and protection for women and victims, better implementation of CCTV, more effective punishments.
And please, don't bring religion into the mix.
Hi MM,
I am watching a documentary on BBC on women's rights (or lack of it) in Mauritania, where the Shariah law is applied in its extreme sense. Most women there are covered from head to toe. Munirah considers this as fulfilling "Islamic ideals".
Well guess what? Rape occurs in Mauritania as well, fully garbed or not. Rape is an act of violence, more so than having anything to do with sex. Women and men do not ask to be raped or abused, regardless of how they are attired.
If Munirah believes we have to change our dressing in a certain way to "fend of social ills", then sadly, we are not mature as a civil society.
There are deeper issues such as equal rights, responsibility and respect for all peoples, upholding the dignity of all beings, which we were supposed to have learnt in 'Ugama' and ethics classes.
Back to Mauritania, pregnancy is regarded as resulting only from free and consentual sex, which means pregnancy is not possible through rape. Rape is undefined under the Mauritanian Law. So women are considered to have committed zina if found to have "had sex" out of wedlock. Where's the justice?
Munirah's social analysis belittles men in a sanctimonious way, and neglects the deeper issues of personal choice, rights, respecting the dignity of humankind and a quality education.
God Bless Malaysia.
Salam,
Saya berpendapat ianya adalah 'win-win situation". Hehehe gurau aja...
Isu ni sebenarnya kena buat survey secara keseluruhan, tanya pelajar lelaki dan perempuan, guru-guru, ibubapa, orang ramai apa pandangan semuanya.
Pandangan peribadi saya sendiri, pakaian putih baju kurung tu transparent. Saya rasa ini mungkin sbb perempuan selalu ironed baju, jadi lama2 jadi nipis dan nampak yang tersembunyi. Memang kami kaum lelaki ada tgk la, tapi xda la pergi meraba atau rogol. Hehe
Yang Munirah Bahari cakap tu mungkin sbb pemikiran dia didoktrin oleh ruang lingkup yang dia fahami sebagai Islam, dan mungkin juga didoktrin oleh parti sokongan beliau, tetapi janganlah semuanya isi yang beliau sampaikan dibakul sampahkan.
Saya sendiri pun x berapa setuju dengan pendapat beliau yang semacam menggambarkan kaum lelaki ni gila seks jer..macamlah kita ni x boleh berfikir langsung. Kadang2 rasa macam beliau ni gender biased jer.
Tentang pandangan beliau mengenai lelaki hilang fokus mungkin boleh diterima akal juga. Masa saya sekolah menengah dulu masa darah muda susah juga nak fokus kepada apa yg guru ajar kat depan sbb perempuan mmg ditempatkan di barisan depan, kami yg lelaki pulak di barisan belakang. Jadi selalu la tgk perempuan terutamanya yg pakaian mereka nipis dan jarang. Lalu, x tahu dan faham apa yg cikgu ajar kat depan sbb selalu berfantasi. hehehe
Mungkin warna atau fabrik pakaian uniform tu kena tukar ataupun kerajaan bagi subsidi untuk beli baharu setiap tahun. Kalau kerajaan suruh tukar uniform kenalah suruh lelaki tukar sama supaya seragam.
P/S. Itu belum tgk lagi Enakmen Undang2 Islam Kelantan yang mengatakan isteri boleh didenda RM1,000 ataupun penjara(x igt berapa bulan) jika tidak memenuhi keinginan sex suami! Itupun ada jugak perempuan masuk PAS. Kat dunia ni macam2 ada..
guess its much easier to just come up with a general very biased statement rather than coming up with an intellignt and well ronded solution. and we wonder why people think tht islam imprison the women....
Hi Marina
How much more stupid-er can one get?
It is not the clothing that leads to sexual harrasment, rape, molestation. It is what runs inside those sick heads of individuals who commit such crimes. Covered or not covered, some women still get violated.
All these 'holier than thou' folks should watch what they say. They wouldn't want to eat their words when their lives behind closed doors are revealed.
Dear people,
I go in and out of the rainforest on weekly basis. It's common to find women in Orang Asli village wearing very little clothes. The point is, we do not hear any stories about Orang Asli men raping their women for their lack of clothing. Honestly, I think the Orang Asli are more cultured than most people who live in the cities.
how about transparent uniform?
Awal pagi tadi saya terpaku melihat siaran Berita Bernama, apabila seorang guru besar sekolah jenis kebangsaan Tamil dengan berani mengakui bahawa isu ini adalah kritkal dan perlu diberi perhatian. Kata beliau memanglah pakaian baju kurung ini lengkap menutup aurat (menurut beliau), tetapi kadangkala ada pelajar terutama yang bukan Islam yang menggunakan pakaian yang tipis sehingga menampakkan pakaian dalamnya bagi tujuan menarik perhatian orang.
read it more here
http://n32.blogspot.com/
and please, just because their opinion are different than yours, doesn't mean they stupid. respect others opinion, this is what you call FREEDOM of SPEECH.
kuncisudu,
That does not explain anything.
The original statement from Munirah.
' Implikasi daripada kejadian ini maka berlakulah kelahiran bayi luar nikah, pembuangan bayi mahupun pelacuran. '
and
'..Di sinilah punca yang boleh kita saksikan terjadinya perkara-perkara seperti pencabulan, penzinaan dan sebagainya...'
One Sekolah Tamil Headmaster's statement does not prove her ridiculous statement.
I am yet to hear substantial proof to back up her original statement.
Where is the study? Does she have the numbers to prove that there is correlation between rape and white clothing?
Your statement;
'and please, just because their opinion are different than yours, doesn't mean they stupid. respect others opinion, this is what you call FREEDOM of SPEECH.'
This is my reply statement for you,
'and please, just because their opinion are different than yours doesn't mean they are deviants (sesat) or 'ultra liberal barat' or anti Islam. respect others opinion, this is what you call FREEDOM of SPEECH.'
To Sis Marina,
Sorry for turning your blog into 'war zone'. Can't resist it.
People like Muhirah Bahari would make our country backward.She must be living in the coconut shell and her view is so narrow-minded and the multi-racial country of ours would be not a comfatable place to live with.I don't understand with this type of mentality she could become the vice-president of the what muslim society.
I do agree with the proposal to change the school uniform.
1. The uniform is jarang and people can see thru. I do not mean that we all men want to see this, but school children happened to be everywhere
2. Why not change the color of the uniform because it been a while we sees our student wearing that uniform. Police and army get their uniform changed every 5 years, why not our student also change. This will also change the dull atmosphere at school.
3. Please take this proposal seriously and maybe we can stop someone form doing rape.There is a step rather than nothing at all.
Please think rather than blaming someone for not thinking as you.
Hi Marina,
Munirah Bahari has her own blogsite
http://munirah-bahari.blogspot.com
she posted another clarification (on 23rd May) with giving 5 other reasons why we should change uniforms. one of the reason is "teachers also get distracted with thin white uniforms"...
this is all rubbish..IRRELEVANT!!why now? we've been wearing it for decades..the one should be blame is the maniac are so dongoi and heartless...even women who's wearing purdah gets rape..so? tak cukup tutup ke tu? nak cover camner lagi? all thick black clothing? come on la..to all the rapist out there..stop it la..life is just a journey..lupakan la niat dan tingkahlaku yang hanya membawa kamu ke jalan yang di murkai Allah SWT!!akhir tujuan hidup kita ni is just for Allah SWT!! tak yah la nak sibuk2 pikiaq nak tujar uniform nie..buang2 waktu..there's a lot of other things that we should put our attention to..instead of this meaningless issue...
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Kadangkala saya jadi keliru dengan masalah uniform ini. sama ada yang memberi statement itu terganggu ataupun yang membuat jenayah betul-betul terdorong. Saya langsung tidak terfikir soal uniform adalah dorongan kepada jenayah seksual, yang terfikir adalah pelajar itu sedang mencari jalan keluar jiwa remaja mereka.
saya ambil kesempatan mengucapkan terima kasih kepada Datuk kerana sudi menonton teater di ASWARA tempoh hari. Untuk foto silalah kunjungi http;/ngadapseni.blogspot.com
i have a good suggestion to ms munirah tho...
http://irmav3p.blogspot.com/2008/05/sexy-school-uniform.html
Do you ever wonder why at Motor Shows, sexily dressed girls are placed next to the exhibited cars? why girls wearing sexy dress are at the HP booth during PCFair??? Why girls in sexy clothes are in the electronic gadgets advertisements?.. why a contestant in Donald Trump's The Apprentice in one of the episode in one of its season 'lost' her skirt just to sell things so that her group will win... but actually was fired by Mr. Trump because of that...???? It's because... SEX SELLS... and girls in sexy clothes does attract boys.....
is there any research conducted on rapists in prisons that shows
1. sexy clothes is not one of the factors rapes cases happened?
2. or sexy clothes is one of the factors???
If there is no such research conducted.. then, we cannot claim either arguments... If there is.... than show it!!!... But all you did was just being rhetoric about this.... giving only theories without supporting details...
i was pissed when i read the article.Ms. Munirah should do a little more research before making such comments. a few years ago, a female in a covered baju kurung with a tudung was raped and murdered. the killer said he could not help himself as she was so good looking it turned him on. based on munirah's theory, all women should cover their faces each time they steped out of their homes. Do some research people..Rape is about power and control. It is not done by men who are real men..insted it is done by men who have no self esteem or control..or even erspect
It's not about what one wears, its one's faith and mentality. I've been teaching for 14yrs, yet I've never see it that way. They are children, how could you possibly think of anything else. Simple as that.
Marina,
What does Ms. Munira has to say about this:
Beauty is but skin deep???
Which one you think will win one aa Marina?
Ps who come your dad's blog dot repeated comments posted one, aa?
got many one, you know.
alhadee,
you give this statement for me, from Munirah,
' Implikasi daripada kejadian ini maka berlakulah kelahiran bayi luar nikah, pembuangan bayi mahupun pelacuran. '
i think what you miss is the first two sentence before that.
"Akhir-akhir ini kita sering disajikan dengan kes sosial, rogol, gangguan seksual mahupun hubungan seks sebelum perkahwinan yang melibatkan remaja wanita belasan tahun. Kebanyakan mereka adalah terdiri daripada pelajar-pelajar sekolah."
this sentence added with the one you gave me is an introduction, general sentence that does not reflect entire issue.
and
'..Di sinilah punca yang boleh kita saksikan terjadinya perkara-perkara seperti pencabulan, penzinaan dan sebagainya...'
i have checked the website, but can't find any sentence like the above. are you sure that come from them?
http://www.pkpim.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=1657
http://munirah-bahari.blogspot.com/
"One Sekolah Tamil Headmaster's statement does not prove her ridiculous statement." why?
I am yet to hear substantial proof to back up her original statement.
Where is the study? Does she have the numbers to prove that there is correlation between rape and white clothing?
go to her website . http://munirah-bahari.blogspot.com/
This is my reply statement for you,
'and please, just because their opinion are different than yours doesn't mean they are deviants (sesat) or 'ultra liberal barat' or anti Islam. respect others opinion, this is what you call FREEDOM of SPEECH.'
n both of the web and blog, i cant find any words of SESAT or ultra liberal barat or anti Islam. but i can find the word midget and stupidities here by Marina herself.
To Sis Marina,
Sorry for turning your blog into 'war zone'. Can't resist it too.
can't fault her for being to islamist be come on..we are malaysians and malays and have some multi racial people here to deal with..don't compare us to arab states wearing long long coverings..well here is hot and we aren't wealthy enough so appreciate what is here for and meant for.
for god forsake let malaysia be respected by INTERNATIONAL PEOPLE not critized like this issues..
go and observe the glory days of islamist movement under ANWAR IBRAHIM under ABIM..not now of PKPIM.just observe schools and suck in it
http://www.gravetown.blogspot.com
"what is so stupid about covering up to prevent rape and sexual harassment?"
It's stupid because that's not what prevents rape and sexual harassment. Teaching young men to respect their female peers, now there's something that can go a long way towards preventing rape and sexual harassment.
The clothes a woman wears shouldn't be singled out (let alone even mentioned) as a cause rape or sexual harassment. I will concede that sexier clothes (or no clothes at all) will bring a woman more attention (I can't imagine anyone denying this, and in fact I once wrote in my old blog about how people who want to show their goods to the world should be offended or even surprised if the world looks). But rape and sexual harassment are not the same as attraction/attention; rape and harassment have nothing to do with what a girl is wearing and much to do with how we raise our boys.
Rapists probably don't give a damn what a girl is wearing anyway. They'll commit rape regardless of their victim's attire. Rape is about power; throwing extra layers over women's public persona makes them less powerful, not necessarily less desirable. (That said, many women choose to cover up, and many feel it actually gives them power, because they feel it removes the sexuality factor from their interactions with the opposite sex, at least that's how a lot of western Muslim women feel if I'm not mistaken. It's something they choose, not something that's imposed on them.)
Whether those school uniforms are 'sexy' is sort of beside the point. 'Sexy' is pretty subjective, but on the face of it I'd say those uniforms are pretty modest. But at the same time, they ARE sexy, in their own way.
I know of young Canadian Muslim women who were stunned when they got catcalls and come-ons while walking down a street fully covered in Saudi Arabia. Anyone who thinks removing the 'temptation' removes the desire obviously doesn't know anyone who was educated at a Malaysian boarding school, where the gay and lesbian students aren't the only ones fooling around with their bunkmates.
The so-called solutions to rape/incest/harassment suggested by a lot of Muslims actually lead not to the desired outcome but rather promote hypersexualisation and don't really do anything to prevent the shocking incidences of rape, incest and sexual harassment that we read about in the papers here every day --- and the likely greater number that don't even make the papers.
"I once wrote in my old blog about how people who want to show their goods to the world should be offended or even surprised if the world looks."
Oops. That's supposed to read SHOULDN'T be offended, not should.
Munirah must've been born stupid
Marina,
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and then there was the landing on Mars' North Pole.
Brilliant careers?
(and there goes the azan)
Mengapa diadakan Tuhan orang sebodoh itu - menyangka berpakaian puteh menaikan nafsu syawat lelaki. Saya fikir elok kita tukar warna telekong dari putih ke hijau gelap. Mana tahu, nanti ada pulak wanita kena rogol semasa hendak sembahyang.
Munirah does have every right to exercise freedom of speech in voicing her opinion that semi-translucent school blouses are the "source" of the rape problem.
In the same vein, I too have the same right to opine that she is disgustingly narrow of mind to claim such.
I thinnk that the true source of rape lies in a problem way more serious than skimpy clothing. It is caused a severe disrespect for a woman's dignity, such that the perpetrator manages to muster the audacity to rob her of her virtue just because he *felt like it*
And to blame it on a girl's dressing, in her government-sanctioned school uniform what's more - personally, as a female I've never felt more offended.
Munirah does have every right to exercise freedom of speech in voicing her opinion that semi-translucent school blouses are the "source" of the rape problem.
In the same vein, I too have the same right to opine that she is disgustingly narrow of mind to claim such.
I thinnk that the true source of rape lies in a problem way more serious than skimpy clothing. It is caused a severe disrespect for a woman's dignity, such that the perpetrator manages to muster the audacity to rob her of her virtue just because he *felt like it*
And to blame it on a girl's dressing, in her government-sanctioned school uniform what's more - personally, as a female I've never felt more offended.
can't agree more with you. all the arguments in the articles seemed too far-fetched and needless to say, "unintelligent".
to curb the social ills are by tackling the minds of the people, not their clothes.
It starts to get absurd when some primary school girls have to wear track bottoms under their dark blue sarongs and the tudungs must be a few sizes larger to avoid the body hugging effect. It becomes scarier when prefects and librarians have to wear a few extra layers. It's a miracle nobody got combusted.
The best uniform a girl or a boy can ever have in this bleedingly crazy humidity is of course a light coloured, cotton polo tee and khaki trousers. Easy to wash. No ironing needed. Prefects and librarians just need to have appropriate badges.
What matters in school is the quality of education. And in the process ensuring that these precious children become better persons, with good education and sound minds. Not clueless nor narrow minded. Or worse, bitter and vengeful.
Or maybe the ministry and it's allies are trumpeting these non issues to hide their actual weakness, their inability to provide for a sound education system.
I, as someone who used to be in Malaysian school and had to wear baju kurung for 11 years of my life, felt quite embarrassed when I first read Mun's article.
Evidently, people nowadays tend to focus on tiny little issues rather than looking at the bigger picture behind it.
What the heck is wrong with the uniform anyways? Too thin? Too transparent? 5 words. Get a thicker baju kurung. A freaking thicker. I wore mine, no bra could be seen tho I swear I wore colourful ones back then. One word. Canggih. Get a high quality baju then~! Why invest your money in cheap baju kurung and end up having sex/getting raped by people whom you accidentally (purposely?) turned up?
Brilliant. Really. Maybe they should ban school uniform and make student wear whatever they want. I wonder.. Better? No? Then go focus on how to reform the old-fashion malaysian education system instead! Go complain on that!
Clothes, maybe contribute to raping (By running up and down before a guy in nothing of course) but then, to complain about school uniform? That's too much. Overseas students (Like australia, for example) don't really get raped around do they? (With exemption of sex on free will).
Educate the people. The potential rapist. The perverts.
And I read your musings on The Star regarding this matter. It was superb. Thanks :)
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