Sunday, July 10, 2011

My Bersih 2.0 Experience


So I went.
I have to say that the night before I had many many misgivings, especially after reading about the army doing exercises with the FRU. Could the government seriously be contemplating shooting their own people? Who knows? My stomach was in knots thinking about the many young people I knew who were intent on going, including my daughter. Would I be able to forgive myself if something happened to them?
After seeking advice from various friends, I finally decided that I could not stay safely at home while my daughter, friends and colleagues faced possible danger. I had to walk with them. Besides even if I stayed home, I would have spent all my time worrying. So I had to go.
A friend who lived in the city offered to be my protector and together we devised a plan on what to do. Hubby was supportive and gave some advice on how to stay safe. My neighbours also wanted to come along. So fairly earlyish, my friend drove over to get me with no problem and we headed back into the city. Despite the roadblocks in some areas, we encountered no problems. In fact driving into KL was so pleasant because the roads were so clear. The police directed traffic where they had to and were generally cooperative ( except for one we saw arguing with a man trying to get into his own condo). We got to a roadblock in the KLCC area and my friend explained that he lived in the area and they let us through, four people in a car dressed as if we were going hiking!


From my friend’s apartment block, we walked to Times Square and parked ourselves at the Starbucks for a coffee while we waited. A cursory look around the outlet and mall revealed that many people were doing the same thing. Meanwhile a whole van of police was stationed outside the mall but after a while they all went off.
We kept in touch with various friends around the city to find out where they were and what the situation was. At about 12.30 we started to walk up Jalan Hang Tuah towards the stadium area. We were not in big groups, just people out on a weekend stroll. We thought we would encounter police in front of the big police headquarters in front of Pudu Jail but there was nothing. When we got to the corner of Jalan Hang Jebat, we saw some police motorcycles and only a couple of cops. Lots of people were just sitting on the curbside under the eye of the cops. It was pretty clear what all these people were there for.
 We walked along Jalan Hang Jebat in front of Stadium Negara towards the OCM and found many other friends waiting there. Apparently at one point the cops had given chase even though there was no reason to and caught some people and hauled them off. But from then on we could sit and wait by the curb without anyone disturbing us.
 Jalan Hang Jebat and the small road that led up to Stadium Merdeka stayed pretty quiet. Members of the Bar Council (who had to suffer wearing their suits in the heat just so that we could spot them easily) walked around observing what was happening. At one point one woman in a suit sat herself at the intersection to take notes.
One lone woman lawyer at her station, Jln Hang Jebat

 We all debated whether to stay there or move down to Petaling Street but we were afraid that we wouldn’t be let back up again. Then it started to rain. My friend and I sought shelter under some hoarding along with young people. Just then I got a message that we were to go to KL Sentral. After confirming this with a friend at Sentral, my friends and I started to walk down Hang Jebat just as a large group of people started walking up. The rain was pouring at that point and I didn’t know quite what to do, whether to tell people they should turn round or not.

Seeking shelter for a while under a shop five-foot way, I talked to various other friends and eventually decided to head back to the stadium area where I found my daughter and lots of other friends there. The main group earlier had gone up to Stadium Merdeka, did some chanting in front of the FRU and then headed down again. But many people hung about just to observe everything and soak in the atmosphere. One group of young people had yellow ribbons on sticks and started a little dance. Others were buying ice cream from a bicycle vendor who came by. There was a real carnival atmosphere.

 Here's a video of the rally yesterday taken by my daughter. As you can see, it was peaceful. And every time some people started chanting 'reformasi', someone else would start a louder chant of 'Bersih'.

I have to say that I never felt safer than when I was in the crowd. People recognized me and said hello. Some wanted to take photos. It didn’t feel any different from any other Saturday out. And to be perfectly fair, the cops and FRU in my area showed admirable restraint. They saw that people were not doing anything more than chanting and nobody was harming anyone so they just stood there and left everyone to do their thing. We came across a whole FRU unit blocking a lane next to the Chinese temple at the roundabout at the bottom of Jalan Maharajalela, waved at them and they waved. Cool cops!
 Of course not everyone had the same experience. Here’s an account from a colleague who was in a different street:
 Unfortunately my experience wasn't so benign. I was part of the marchers (along with A and others) who were effectively kettled by the police in Jalan Pudu. FRU units to the front and back of us prevented us from leaving, and we were trapped by the walls of a construction site opposite Tung Shin Hospital after the FRUs pushed us back. It was probably the worst of the hotspots because of that: when the police started firing round after round of tear gas at us, we had nowhere to run to. I think they were determined to make an example out of us, because they bloody well tear-gassed and sprayed us with water cannons when they had no reason to do so.

We were all tear-gassed at least three, four times. An NGO staffer was hit by a canister. V told me that she saw people jumping off the second floor of the Puduraya bus terminal because the police had released tear gas too close to the terminal and the wind carried the fumes into the enclosed building. When the marchers ran for shelter in Tung Shin Hospital, the police fired tear gas and water cannons INTO the hospital grounds. Later the police lured us into re-assembling on the road on the pretext of negotiating a peaceful dispersal. They arrested the MP (Sivarasa) who was doing the negotiating, then -- after ordering us to sit down so (as we realised later) we would be sitting ducks -- they fired more tear gas and water cannons at us. A, myself and our companions eventually managed to find a way out from the trap via the Santo Antonius church and (irony of ironies) the car park of the Hang Tuah police station (near the monorail station). There were so many very brave people yesterday.


I now know that smearing toothpaste under the eyes to reduce irritation caused by tear gas actually works (thanks, A)! I'm still itchy and short of breath from all that tear gas, which is a bit annoying. But really, mostly what I remember of the rally was how moving it was: the solidarity among the protesters, how people looked out for one another. Whenever I was tear-gassed there was a stranger running along at my side and offering me and my friends salt to counteract the effects. When the police sprayed chemical-laced water cannons into the crowd and the people affected cried out for water to wash the stuff away, others turned and ran back toward the cannons with bottles of water to help. People helped others climb up a hill towards the hospital to escape (some guy helped me up the steep slope). Someone always stepped up to make sure that a panicked run doesn't turn into a stampede, including an elderly woman who took it upon herself to guide the marchers to safety. She's a first-time marcher to boot! Actually there were lots of first-time marchers, and more young middle-class urbanites than I've ever seen at any other rallies including the 2007 Bersih rally. At one point people started picking up the tear gas canisters and throwing them back at the police, or kicking the canisters safely away from the marchers and bystanders. I heard via the #bersihstories Twitter hashtag when the police fired tear gas into Tung Shin, there were people who grabbed the canisters and wrapped them in their own towels, then threw the canisters into the drain so there wouldn't be so much fumes.

And another one, about people’s goodness:
My group has a lovely little story to tell as well, of how we escaped from the Tung Shin hospital area after one of the tear gas attacks.  We took a little alley uphill between the shophouses, and there was a block of flats there.  One of the residents told us to go through the building to get out through the back!  We climbed upstairs and then along the opposite corridor a woman shouted and pointed, "That way, go that way, there is an exit out the back!" and we scuttled along our corridor, down the back stairs and found ourselves safe outside on Changkat Tung Shin or something like that. 

Rakyat all contributing in their own ways! 

There are many stories and photos, both good and bad, of the whole event. But to me what was most important was that Malaysians proved two things: one, they can assemble together on a common cause peacefully and two, therefore showed that they are a mature people.  The fact is that there were all kinds of people there, young and old, all races and religions and all classes and creeds. I bumped into many young people, the children of my friends, who had come to see what it was all about and decide for themselves what to think about the issue.
Do these people look like hooligans to you?

 Whatever one thinks about the issue that Bersih is espousing, we should all be proud of our fellow Malaysians who did not, despite dire predictions by some, behave like hooligans and destroy property and hurt one another. There were people hurt and one death but people who had participated in the rally did not cause them. The restaurants and shops around the area were doing roaring business as people got thirsty and hungry.

There are also some people claiming that the world now has a bad impression of Malaysia because the foreign media (and the local media for that matter) reported only about the teargassing and water-cannoning. I think people are confusing the government with the people. Yes, the world now has a bad impression of the Malaysian government because it has handled this whole issue so badly. They don’t have the same impression of the Malaysians who stood up for their rights and their cause.
This is what gives a good impression: protestors and police shaking hands before dispersing at 4pm.
And by the way, I can’t believe some of the mean things being said about the man who died after being teargassed! My goodness, every time I read totally uncompassionate things like that, I know that I’m on the right side.

For more accounts by people who were there, read this.

178 comments:

  1. Being from SAHC, I am proud of you and your daughter. But I guess your mom and dad must be worried sick!

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  2. Thanks for the write up, Marina! It really does warm the heart to see all the stories pouring out in the form of #bersihstories, and I am proud to be associated with such Malaysians.

    And to be perfectly honest, if the government had handled this more maturely and democratically, I doubt that that many people would have turned up (among a few things, people hate being told what NOT to do, especially when it is in their right to do so) or such a big fuss would have been kicked.

    So all in all, I'm rather satisfied. The one thing though, is follow up now. Let's not let this die here, push for what is being asked for: Fair and free elections.

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  3. Many thanks for the write up. I do hope that with this; the government would open their eyes.

    I do believe that with this peaceful march, it wont change much for this particular generation.

    what i do believe, is the fact that this march will be the stepping stone for our future generation. A change that many citizen wants.

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  4. Marina,
    I salute you for the courage to do the things which you felt deeply about. You are a true Malaysian!
    You need not trust what I have just said but the RAKYAT has said all these in http://www.malaysia-chronicle.com/index.php?option=com_k2&view=item&id=15595:is-this-marina-mahathir?&Itemid=2.

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  5. The Gomen must be mighty proud of themselves. What a way to showcase their idiocy.

    There'll be more of the same. They are predictable.

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  6. Just like durian, not all "bijik" rotten.
    Your dad karma would be less to have a daughter like you.
    Keep it up !

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  7. ... very very proud of what we all did as Malaysian .. we were the real 1Malaysia , and very brave too !! if u decide to go into politics , u would get my vote any ol day of the week .. Cheers for a better Malaysia !!

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  8. i adore you as a 21yr old student. =)

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  9. thanks for the write-up Marina,posted it on my FB wall.

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  10. datuk....
    saw ur photo from fb.It really shocking coz...for me,most of the politicians...etc,very good in talking and acting(even good then the oscar winner...hehe) but when the problem is there and need they to settle it ...oopss!!!hilang orang or playing "tai qi"....that's why until now, i still haven register to vote for election but i'm promise, i'm going register tomorrow :D.
    Really thanks a lot to support us.WITH YOUR SUPPORT,WE NOT ALONE.
    cheers....
    besides,take care on ur hand...and i pay u next hair wash....hehe!!! V

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  11. I am glad you went, and I am even more glad that you and your daughter are safe, not getting tear-gassed!

    -adrian
    SSDD

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  12. Sharing journeys are important - be it sorrowful or joyous. Thanks for sharing your journey with us as we look at our own vocation and calling. Peace!

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  13. pity the govt for not being able to see that these malaysians came together, despite the obstacles and risks, for one reason only, i.e they LOVE their country, sincerely and openly. it's clear that the govt is on the wrong side.

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  14. Wonderful post. Delighted you were there AND wrote about it. With friends. And met up with your daughter and theirs. I'm inspired.

    From you I've learned that people drowned out attempts to hijack the BERSIH rally and turn it into a PKR one through the choice of chants - I don't think I've heard this elsewhere.

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  15. Thank you, Marina. We all need luminaries like you to stand up for a better Malaysia for all Malaysians. I wonder if we will ever truly overcome.

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  16. Thank you, Marina. We need more luminaries such as yourself to stand up for a better Malaysia for all Malaysians. I wonder if we will ever overcome in our lifetime.

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  17. I am lost for words after reading your account on what both you and your daughter have done. Honestly I have never thought that there could be such a great difference between daugter and father. Syabas and thank you for your fine deeds. I have started to believe there is still a ray of hope for Malaysia and its people. Long live the rakyat and may God have mercy on them and protect them from the satan reincarnates.

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  18. Thank you Marina. Your presence there means a lot to the rest of us. I wish I was home to have been there on that day. Many of us youths dream of a better Malaysia. I have been in touch with fellow PhD students/researchers overseas, and many of us said that if we were given fair and equal opportunities at home, a chance to make a difference, we would return in a jiffy. But we fear that going back to Malaysia will mean the end of our scientific and academic careers, because of racial or political obstacles that (we have heard) exist. We hope to come home one day, and for that, we hope for a fair and just system. I hope Bersih creates this awareness for our generation, who have been apathetic for too long.

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  19. I think Marina's daughter deserves more praise for stand. May God bless her.

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  20. Dear Marina,
    thank you for the write up and for walking with the rest of the malaysian who believe in doing the right thing. I am not surprise that you actually went. I guess it is your nature to see things first hand. Your daughter went too? Just like mum I suppose. You are so blessed to have a supportive husband too.

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  21. Datin Paduka Marina,
    You are definitely a PM material. Malaysia will do very well with people like you at the helm.

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  22. Dear Marina, I was at the exact spot where the lawyer sat down taking notes about 12 pm when the police rounded us up and stuffed us into a black maria. They took us to Pulapol. About 2000 malaysians were held there till the evening. I was released at 9pm. Right place, wrong time I guess.

    Really appreciate your participation.

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  23. Marina,

    That was a nice writeup of your experience & your photos at the walk speaks a thousand words...

    Glad you & your daughter joined the ranks of the rayaat despite the rain, laced water spray, etc...

    Well done & great to have you to stand up and participate for a better Malaysia for all Malaysians.

    May God Almighty bless & protect you & your family always.

    Bersih 2.0 Rally (11) - http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10150243222331267.318068.537691266

    Cheers.

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  24. God Bless You, Datuk Paduka Marina Mahathir. You walk the talk. A true Malaysian.

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  25. Thank you Marina, for sharing your experience with us. I am so glad to be able to read a true account from someone who was actually there, instead of just from the media. And yes, I share your sentiment that the world now has a bad impression of the Malaysian government because it has handled this whole issue so badly, but not the same impression of the Malaysians who stood up for their rights and their cause.

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  26. Thank you Datuk. For feeling and hearing us out. God bless a noble and brave soul as you are, and your family.

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  27. I didn't realised you were part of the group.

    Thank you very much for sharing your thoughts and experience (as you always do) and giving another perspective of the whole event.

    I so much wanted to join, but practicalities just too pressing. Perhaps I'm just too YELLOW to do it.

    And yes, I agree that the animosity shown by same who were against the movement was disgusting.

    As was the concerted PR-onslaught of the news - watch RTM that night, but at least they did have some shots of the huge crowd.

    Kudo, Datin Paduka.

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  28. So proud that you went. Even prouder you came out with this post. Hope it will be translated and gets across to everyone around the country.

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  29. I am speechless actually. Your entry gave me goosebumps and almost brought tears to my eyes. My heart was already flooding. I'm so touched. I didn'y go down myself coz I have to take care of my stroked MIL but I sent two of my sons to BERSIH with a friend. But I was infront ogf my laptop the whole day take short rest for very necessary needs only. Updating everything on my FB wall. And my friend said to me " Kak,ada hikmah akak tak turun. Kami bergerak berpandu kepada status2 yang akak letak. Terimakasih". I was happy I could still contribute in my own little way.
    I must say I am proud of you,your daughter and friends and all Malaysians for uniting for this cause.

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  30. Dear Datin Paduka,

    Thank you for joining us in the walk for clean elections, for democracy and for freedom. You are and will always be an icon to a generation of young Malaysians who are looking for courageous, righteous personalities to model themselves after. Truly thankful! God bless you and your family always!

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  31. This may seem like a joke but when I sent my comment just now I didn't realise who the owner is. I was just so touched that I decided to say something. Only after sending and reading comments from others did I realise.
    I had put on my FB wall yesterday a foto og you in the rally that I founf somewhere and wrote "Marina Mahathir was there...Way to go maam!"

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  32. This would probably go down in my "I should have done that" list. But you should check out what the Minister of MisInformation sounded like on AlJazeera..reeeelly...it would help if he answered at least OneQuestion...if not contradict himself like a million times..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfpYZ4IGenY&feature=player_embedded

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  33. Cool Sis Marina,

    At least you can see the Rakyat from the perspective of Rakyat on this issue, how the rakyat behaves, walking arms to arms irrespective of race, age, religion for one cause, helping each others during the hard and trouble in the rally..

    Many people (MPs) are in the syndrome of denial and afraid for good things that we can reveal from the bersih.

    we cant change them, but they need to know we are not afraid of them..

    The rakyat is the MASTER who paid their salaries, allowances, pensions..

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  34. thank you Marina. deeply touched that you were there, you are indeed a true Malaysian who walks the talk.

    i can identify with the Tung Shin experience. it was a badm bad experience with the cops, but it was a most beautiful experience with Malaysians - people looking out for each other and helping each other out - i've never experienced this elsewhere.

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  35. wow!!! thanks for the write up Marina!! so inspired by and proud of you & ur daughter... the country is a better off place with people like you!! :)

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  36. MM,

    No matter how many personal accounts I have read of participants of the rally, it always brings a tear or two. As a Malaysian, I am proud of us, regardless of race. We have proven to be 1, regardless of circumstances and even more so when the circumstances requires. This definitely will open the eyes of the rakyat that Malaysians are alive and kicking. I definitely will proudly proclaim 1BERSIH, for in 1 fell swoop, did what 1MALAYSIA could not do in a lifetime. Let us now propagate, evangelise, spread our love for our country, for the betterment of our children....You never cease to impress and amaze us....

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  37. Very well said Marina! My fiance and I went through all the same streets you talked about, back alley behind Tung Shin and so on. We were probably walking side by side. :)

    And yes, on that day, it felt like everyone around me was family. I did not feel threatened at all... except by the cops. :)

    Very happy to hear that your daughter and you are safe! Thank you for sharing your experience.

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  38. Like Marina, people must start looking at issues and not at who is representing what.

    This would be the first step towards a more mature Malaysian society and a pre-requisite for a country aspiring to achieve developed status. Material wealth alone is not enough.

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  39. Thank you so much Marina for your post! I was one of the marchers and it was my first experience. I will usually not bother about such things, but something urged me to step out from my comfort zone. I saw and experienced the unity of 1Malaysia and I'm proud to say I'm a Malaysian.

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  40. Aft reading ur story, i can now pretty much confimred bout ur presence at Mc'D at Bkt Bintang around 9+ in the mrng. I was sitting right infront of u, monitoring e situation around bkt bintang.

    I am just another ordinary M'sian who believe in standing up for justice and to speak up for our basic human rights.
    Unfortunately, my stories with others at Tong SHin hospital is not so fortunate. BEing tear gas for at least 3 times. Everyone rushing for escape, but still everyone helping each other regardless of race and religion. Thats the unity of M'sian to me.

    Once again, Marina thank you for standing up for most of the M'sian.

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  41. Kak, God bless you and your family. God bless Malaysia!

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  42. Thanks Datin for the write up. Bravo to you, your daughter and all who walked the talk. The by your daughter is both inspiring and heartwarming. Here's a song for all of you, Nothing gonna stop us now - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBoQvhzeeCY

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  43. i take it that your hand didn't look like robocop anymore..? otherwise that could've gotten u into trouble-it might've been mistaken for a weapon! hehehe

    anyway, good for you for participating. wish i had been there too...

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  44. dear datuk,am really touched by your write up and admire your daughter courage stand up for her and all Malaysian rights.
    Frankly speaking,BN under UMNO is getting from bad to worst..

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  45. Hello Sister Marina. I Want To Say Congratulations To You.

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  46. Malaysia would be much more better and harmony if we could have to a leader like you!

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  47. Ma'am, thanks a million. It is very encouraging, showing the way forwarsd for Malaysia and Malaysians.

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  48. Well said Marina. What this has done is in fact bring out the true spirit the people of Malaysia, unconditionally unifying all. Irrespective of background and beliefs, the principles and values for which the rally was being held - a fair and transparent electroral process, is the bedrock of any democracy at any stage of a country's development,for which we must always want to and actually strive to do better. This is an apolitical desire. The response to what should have been a peaceful rally (and thankfully inspite of the unacceptable response, remained peaceful), is a sad testimony to the level of maturity (or rather lack of), and insecurity in our politicians. It would have been an opportunity to rise above political and personal agendas and truely do what they were elected for, represent the interests of the people, by at the very least listening to the people.
    In this case it is the Rakyat who did Malaysia proud, in the peaceful and harmonious and dignified manner in which the rally proceeded, despite the large numbers and the challenges of tear gassing etc. Without the roadblocks the numbers would have been greater. It actually made the message even louder than if they had actually allowed the rally to be held in the stadium, as had earlier been agreed to, then illogically backtracked on!

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  49. Hi Marina,
    Despite all your writings in the past, I sorry to say that "a larger than life cloud" hung over you- and as such, you didn't exactly "inspire confidence" in me ...

    I was quite sceptical when someone told me that you were there- until he told me that you were beside his friend "right now" ...

    Well- what can I say ... I stand corrected, and congrats, sis!
    I believe you now, when you say that you're "on the right side".

    Cheers!

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  50. dear marina, wonderful read. i was part of the rally in melbourne where it was so peaceful so all the happenings in kl really shocked me. all that said, i wished things would have gone better for bersih 2.0.

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  51. Hi Marina,
    I have never understood what 1Malaysia means when it was introduced by our PM until now, after reading your post about your experience in the Bersih 2.0 march. We are Malaysians regardless of race, religion, age, gender and political affliation, united as one to stand up for our rights. We are entitlted to free and fair elections! I salute your courage to be present at the peaceful rally. The rally would have been more peaceful without the teargas and water cannons. Peace be on all of us!

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  52. Puan Marina,
    There's a lot of us out here wanting to be there at Bersih rally, but unfortunately we couldn't because of the intimidation by police force, as we have young kids at home, we could end up in detention. We are all for change of the current government! People in the urban areas are aware of this, please reach out to the rural areas where there is limited alternative media.

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  53. Thank you for the write up and I'm crying to see those brave Malaysian who stood there on Bersih 2.0. As a mother, I will did exactly like you if my daughter decided to go. All we need is transparent election and please don't politicize the issue. Bersih 2.0 are between the people and EC.

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  54. Dear Datuk Marina, you have made us all proud by showing us the actual experience and understood what the public actually felt. Glad we have someone like you who is a leader material and willing to open and experience of what Malaysians are feeling. May God blessed you and your family!

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  55. Hi Marina,

    I salute you for the courage to do the things which you felt deeply about. You have my true respect and you are a true Malaysian! Thank you for sharing your true experience and this means a lot to us as Malaysians...

    somehow, there's a sense of victory inside me and Bersih 2.0 showed me the true meaning of 1Malaysia...To be honest, Me and many of my peers have never felt this way before...many Rakyat used to think that we in Malaysia have no more hope...but the 9th July 2011 event has once again opened our eyes and showed us that we, from different race, ethnics, age, social backgrounds are united for the our beloved country, Malaysia!

    Hearing our national anthem- Negaruku being sung around the globe by Bersih rallies attenders really touched my heart! This is what I call SEMANGAT!

    Proud Malaysian,
    Justin Ng

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  56. I m touch n feel proud to be a Malaysian. Marina, u r truly an inspiration to every Malaysian who truly love the country....

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  57. Dear Datuk Marina,

    Thank you for being there.
    Why is there still fear in you?

    As a matter of fact, if Datuk allowed to be arrested, the impact would be even greater to Malaysian. There is no need to resist the arrest, go willing and make a press statement later.

    If Datuk has these fear, I think most silence Malaysian would have the same feeling.

    Thank you again for being there.
    Syabas!

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  58. So you went. So I went. There we met. Would you believe my wife who's been pretty much non-committed all these years insisted on joining me?

    There were thousand of other Malaysians who turned up fearlessly.

    I was never more proud of being Malaysian than on 9th July 2011.

    Never will any Govt tell me what colout T-shirts I can wear or arbitrarily ban us from entering KL or anywhere or use religion and race to try and divide us!

    PM Najib lied when he said Ambiga defended Lina joy. It was Dr. Cyrus Das. CLICK HERE

    He lied again when he said Bersih could hold a rally in anu stadium and then connived with his cousin Kerismudin to use Catch 22 technicalities to block Bersih.

    He should have resigned yesterday.

    dpp
    we are all of 1 Race, the Human Race

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  59. Datok Paduka, more damage to the BN when the Polis show double standard. People interpted that goverment use Polis for their agenda. Why KPN do not act fair to all aprties in that DEMO. Is it Red Halal and Yellow Haram? Polis MUST act fairly, why PERKASA and PESAKA still at large ebventthough they continuosly make a dangerous and racist statment? Yestaerday PM also why should said Pesilat will defend till the last blood? Silat use Keris and Stick - now all country think about Nekliear weapon!. Where is 2020?

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  60. Datok Paduka,

    Saya bimbang penasihat keliling PM ada kepentingan dan pengampu. Surat khabar jugak sama. Saya takut nasihat yang salah ini memakan diri.Apa susah sangat PM nak bagi laluan kepada sesiapa yang nak unjuk rasa berhimpun. Undang2 cukup untuk dakwa mereka kalau mereka buar onar. Apa perlu kerah ratusan ribu polis?

    Nasihat saya UMNO/BN sudah tidak boleh mengharapkan markah KESIAN lagi. Zaman itu berlalu.

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  61. Thank you for writing your account and posting this MM. I'm proud to have walked on the ground with you during the rally although in different groups. I've made a blog post of the events that transpired on our side of KL as well (Masjid Jamek > KLCC) which can be read here: http://puppybunnytalk.blogspot.com/2011/07/bersih-20-in-pictures-and-some-words.html

    We need to share our true stories with more Malaysians and and spread the truth of what transpired on the ground in KL that historical day.

    With much love and respect to you.

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  62. Dear Datuk Marina

    Thanks for posting, could you be our PM?

    James

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  63. I was really shocked that you were there too. Respect on what had you done, and keep working on behalf of the malaysians.

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  64. The rally in London went well and the Met police even sent cars to ensure the safety rally goers and the general public. Emergency services vehicle was on standby, not because they were expecting a riot, more of a precaution. It's summer in the UK, people might end up with heat stroke during the walk. That said, talking with my English friends, their view of Malaysia has not changed. Well their view on the people and the country itself has not changed. Their views on how the government conducted themselves up to the rally and during the rally is a different matter. Since the government declared the rally to be "illegal", they now assumed that all protests/rallies are ILLEGAL in Malaysia. And to them this undermines the basic freedom of speech. On top of that the resistance from the government towards the rally makes them wonder if the government is afraid or if the government has something to hide. If you read the Guardian newspaper - it does say the rally was akin to Arab spring-style rally. It is not the violence from the people that conjures this image, it was more of a comparison to the resistance of the government (Egypt, Tunisia, Yemen and perhaps Malaysia?) towards freedom of expression.

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  65. I love you more than anyone else. You deserve it...hope your hubby wont get jealous. Keep it up

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  66. MM, thanks for your personal account of what happened!! I am really really proud of you going all hands-on and down in the field. Some people say NGO and opposition should not be mixed and that bersih aint really bersih. For me.. I think... what bersih has done for Malaysia is to show Malaysians that we are past the race cards. We are past that. and we can overlook our so called differences, and look out for each other in times of need. and to show compassion to each other. I was in Japan when the tsunami and huge earthquake hit. there was no looting, no hooligans, but only kind japanese showing compassion for each other. I wondered then, will Malaysians ever be there? And I am certain now that the answer is yes!! Malaysia truly boleh!

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  67. Congratulation and Syabas for joining the rakyat.

    I hope your father and gangs will love the Malaysian as much as you love and care your daughter, friends and colleagues.

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  68. Saya tulis sikit fasal Datin di sini:

    http://penarikbeca.blogspot.com/2011/07/tolonglah-maafkan-saya-hanya-memondan.html

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  69. Love this account. total respect to you for attending and writing on behalf of the "puak pengacau" as the media has dubbed the Bersih participants. My friend also went to the rally and met some wonderful Malaysians that assisted her with the tear gas. who ever said Malaysians aren't helpful? btw, mind if i quote you in my fb?

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  70. Well written as usual. Tks for sharing; its truly inspirational & encouraging

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  71. Dear kak marina.

    Wwalaupun terus terang saya sangat bencikan ayah anda. tetapi jutaan terimakasih kerana sudi bersama. kerana BERSIH is not only for pkr,pas or dap. it for all. kita hanya mahukan keadilan. i pernah pergi ke rumah you ketika i berkerja sebagai bodyguard anak azman ha.shim mizhar wife. seng my congratulation to your doughter for joining us. few photo at my blog you are welcome but there have some pic yg mungkin you tak senang.sorry no offence k.

    http://bbcatlover.blogspot.com
    http://jamilthecatman.blogspot.com
    Facebook ( Jamil bin ismail )
    Facebook ( jamilkucing )

    minta kebenaran untuk gunakan tulisan kak marina untuk fb saya

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  72. Marina, mak cik mohon maaf, selama ini mak cik tidak suka kan anda. Now mak cik dah pusing 360 degree. Salam hurmat

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  73. Dear Sister Marina,

    While I was awy in KK at the time of the Bersih rally and was also inconvenienced by a senseless police block at Mengatal, I shared with my brothers what I thought of you - Prime Minister material.

    Reading this posting makes me feel that I am right. I believe if you dare take up the challenge and stick to the noble beliefs, even UMNO will have HOPE.
    I pray that you will come out on eday and make a stand. Seriously I see you and Izzhar as the future of our nation.

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  74. interestingly, I counted more than 6000 rakyat there, while there were members of the opposition party in the ranks, I believe most of them came from all walks of life, the Ama on the wheelchair, the old uncle with 2 tongkat, they came up to show support for what should be a non-issue, clean and fair elections.

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  75. Datuk Paduka Marina, mengalir air mata saya membaca'post' anda.

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  76. Marina - I am so proud of you! Don't mind me, (65 yr old senior) but I've always wondered which way you were going - today I know.
    For the first time in my life, I too decided that I have to go and support what I believe in and I was so touched by the sincere group of 'common' people out there - I was just as fearful and anxious, and I prayed, even kneeling on the ground, when the tear gas started, for all to be safe. Isn't God great? The rains came... Alleluia.
    I am still tearing and feeling my heart tear apart reading all the stories and watching the videos - especially those of the Police brutality. We really have to clean up the government.
    We want God fearing honest & fair minded leaders, who believe that love of money is the root of all evil.

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  77. Puan Marina, even though i have to admit, i really realy dont like your father because what he did in 1998.i got to salute you on this.

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  78. It been awhile seen i've posted anthing but here's a question that you'll have to address?

    What if you were not Datuk Paduka Marina Mahathir, daughter of Dr Mahathir Mohammad, The PM for 22 years.

    Would the FRU, Police and by standers given you that warm welcoming feeling, smile or waved at you? It is RELATIVE isn't it?

    When i think all that was done to others, well, your story is, i shan't elaborate nor comment any further.

    I wonder what would one say to Badaruddins family???

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  79. Dear Marina, I received your write-up from a friend..."guess who is at the walk" I did not realize until I read it again that it was written by you. I salute you and your daughter for being there... Tonight on NTV 7 news the MOH Liow Tiong Lai still denied that no tear gas or water cannons was thrown/shot into Tung Shin hospital. It was blown by the winD! I am appalled by such headless chicken leader. The government is suffering from Denial Syndrome, a serious mental health illness which is not surprised when this country has 3 million+ children and 6million+ adults suffering from poor mental health. Guess we know where most of them are. Thank you for the detailed write up which should be published in the media-column.

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  80. I did not join the rally fearing the tear gas and csnnisters but today I frkl i should jave been there supporting my fellow brothers and sisters. Truth will always prevail itself. Hats off!

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  81. Datuk Paduka Marina,

    Thank you for sharing your experience with us. Truly appreciate your frankness and MAY GOD BLESS you and your daughter for your courage.

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  82. Salam Datuk Marina,

    Syabas dan Tahniah diatas tulisan anda, saya terharu kerana keberanian Puan menampilkan kebenaran, bukan semua orang boleh berbuat demikian dengan keadaan sekarang ni, silap2 duduk dalam lokap for nothing, tapi mungkin kedudukan Datuk yang membuatkan kebenaran ini boleh disuarakan, saya doakan Allah meanugerahkan kesejahteraan dan rahmat diatas Datuk dan keluarga. Amin.

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  83. Dear Marina,

    Thank you so much for joining the march.At long last you have made a subtle political statement against the rotten establishment which will inspire many like minded Malaysians. I sincerely hope that you will continue your campaign for a free and democratic government.

    Raymon Cheong

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  84. Dear Marina,
    What was the demo for? Do you agree with what they are seeking after avenues were given for a discussion. You seem to only highlighting the wrongs of the ‘other side’ but only mention by passing the good they have done. This ‘march’ is hijack by the opposition, asking for a clean ‘election’ when their own recently was full of questions. It like ‘do what I say don’t do what I do.’ You are wise, I’m sure, is this all necessary when there are always other avenues for them to air for their grievances they might have, difficult it might be but that the norm everywhere, in any situation, but not impossible. I’m surprise of your stand thinking you would know your father’s ideology better.

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  85. Hi Marina, I never thought that you attend this event due to your background. My tears keep on dropping as I read this article. It make me regret that I didn't join it. I salute you and proud of you.

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  86. Anak tak kenang budi dan jasa rakyat yang angkat Tun jadi PM selama 22 tahun. Kami bermati-matian mempertahankan Tun dari segala serangan. Malangnya anak Tun yang dilimpahkan dengan kesenangan dan kekayaan menikam kami dari belakang.

    Kalau Tun tak jadi PM dulu kami tak kisah kau nak jadi apa dan sokong siapa.

    Adakah dizaman Mahathir dulu pilihanraya adil dan bersih? Terima Kasih

    Rakyat yang menyokong Tun.

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  87. God bless you, your daughter and all those who came out that day. We shall overcome the odds that we face and bring this country out of the rot that we are presently in.
    Peter

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  88. Hi Auntie Marina,

    The 9th of July was a bittersweet day for Malaysia. It was a day when the country literally came to a standstill and observed the strength and courage of national heroes like yourself and your daughter.

    Until that day, I have never been more proud to call myself a Malaysian, because as you mentioned - we saw Malaysians from all walks of life, all faiths and races, of all ages in all countries unite for a cause. It was truly the perfect example of 1Malaysia.

    God bless, and thank you. Looking forward to more blog posts!


    Brian - from Facebook

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  89. Thank you for writing about your experience. We are glad that you are NOT a chip of the old block.

    Continue the great work !!

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  90. Dear Datuk Marina

    Do allows me to share you video link, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dd9slh1Y4Ug&sns=fb

    "Baru kena siiiikit tear gas sahaja!"

    This is how our prime minister comment on when our oppositions hit by teargas..

    IMHO, opposition or not, He is still a Malaysian, the very least our prime minister can do, is just quiet..

    Instead, he made jokes out of his own people's suffering.

    I don't want my country to lead by this man!

    Cheers
    James Khoo

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  91. a lovely read.. thanks for sharing

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  92. Thanks for sharing, most of my friends who walked shared along your lines as well with tear gas added. But a friend sent me this shocking video of PDRM behaviour. Do watch it to the end.

    I have never been so ashamed of any govt or police such as I feel right now at the same time so proud of all the Malaysians who converged onto KL to walk.

    This country is so confused.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCetbFLceFI&feature=share

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  93. Hi Marina,

    Thanks for your sanitised version. The truth is far from what you have to say. Just follow all the video clips in Facebook. May be you are eyeing to be the 1st Female PM in Malaysia

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  95. If this isn't "The Malaysian Way" then what is ???

    I may be hopeful still .

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  96. protest song-during African-american CVR movement by Peter Seeger-We shall Overcome Show on this Video 00.27-1:15.LAGU ini sekali lagi berkumandang di persimpangan pudu-hang Tuah | Malaysian together 1

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  97. Dear Marina,

    You were worried about your daughter's participation in Bersih 2; just curious did you inform your mom about your participation ?
    What was her reaction if you did, care to share with your readers ?
    like you, Your mom is a great woman,would love to know her stand on this rally.

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  98. Dear folks, thanks for the many kind comments. Sorry I can't reply to each one. Thanks to whoever offered to pay for my hairdresser; looks that bad huh?? :-)

    Penarik Beca, saya amat terharu membaca blogpost anda. Terima kasih.

    Makcik Yes, tak payah la nak minta maaf. Kita semua manusia, dengan tabiat suka manghakimi orang dengan begitu saja. Orang yang kenal saya semuanya tak hairan langsung.

    Let me clarify a few things though, OK? I am not fuelled by hate, only frustration. I did not go to the rally to support anyone or to spite anyone. I went because I believed in the cause. If tomorrow, there is another rally for a cause I don't believe in, I won't go but I will support anyone's right to express their views in a rally or any other way.

    If I thought the sight of me would have been enough to stop the FRU from teargassing anyone, I would have been in front. But, as anyone who was there knows, in such a large crowd, it is not really possible for the cops to pick out anyone by sight unless they were bringing attention to themselves in some way, which I was not. Most people did not recognise me unless they were very close up. As I am not part of the Bersih leadership, I did not have any role to play beyond that of a concerned citizen, as most people there were.

    Lastly, just as the government seems to believe in the George Bush credo of 'either you're with us or against us', so it seems do a lot of other people. I am NOT one of those. As my friend Penarik Beca astutely points out, we can come together on some causes but that doesn't mean we necessarily agree on everything. Or need to, for that matter.

    Also I reiterate once again that my values were instilled in me by my parents, to always speak the truth, to work hard and to help others. In my family there is room for differing views. I respect and love my parents as any child should, even if we may not agree on everything. So I am not being disloyal, disrespectful or 'gone over to the other side', whatever that means. Maybe at most, irritating. My Mum, bless her heart, only sms'd me to scold me for possibly endangering the recovery of my fractured wrist.

    As for wanting to be the first female PM of Malaysia (and is that a bad thing?), I can only laugh. Unless our political structures and the mindset of ALL politicians in this country changes, there will not be a woman prime minister in this country for a long long time. For me personally, I have no interest in political parties (which is the only way to get to the top politically in this country) and I prefer being a non-partisan observer and critic.

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  99. Fair, my parents were actually on a flight to London on Saturday. I didn't tell them I was going (partly because I only decided late the night before) but also didn't feel the need to. I am 54 already anyway :-) As I mentioned above, Mum was concerned about my wrist. I think I would have gotten a scolding for letting their eldest grandchild go but I already worried enough about that myself anyway.

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  100. dear marina...
    did you asked your father's opinion about bersih?i think he will give u another point of view for u to think with a different angle.

    and i wonder, do you forget that the person who created the 'reformasi' is the person who hate your father so much.

    send my regard to my beloved Tun M.

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  101. Gekko,

    Perhimpunan Bersih tidak menentang Tun Dr.Mahathir. Era Tun dah lama tamat. Kita menentang isu-isu sekarang, bukan isu-isu zaman silam. Kita kehadapan dengan isu semasa.

    Walaupun Datin Paduka anak Dr.M, beliau mempunyai pendapat sendiri. Ini bukan zaman batu dimana anak yang dah dewasa kena ikut cakap ayah dan ibu.

    Sebenarnya, bila dah umur 16 tahun pun kita sudah ada pemikiran sendiri and kita perlu berdiri tegak dengan pendapat kita. Memang membimbangkan bila seorang dewasa berumur lebih 50 tahun kena ikut cakap ayah dan ibu.

    Tun sendiri dah kata bahawa Tun memberi anak-anak Tun demokrasi bersuara dan pendapat sendiri. Tun bukan seorang yang feudal yang nak ikat mulut anak- anaknya.

    Dulu bila orang Melayu mencaci Tun pada tahun 1998 hingga ke hari ini, itu semua betul ke? Ikut adat Melayu ke? Caci sampai mencaci ibu Tun yang dah lama meninggal. Berbagai fitnah oleh orang melayu masa tu terhadap Tun. Selepas itu Tun telah menang pilihanraya oleh kerana sokongan rakyat bukan Melayu.

    Tetapi hari ini, semua bangsa tak sokong kerajaan sekarang. Kami hendak pembaharuan. Kami dah bosan dengan sandiwara UMNO & BN. Sudah Melampau kerajaan sekarang, Kami dah letih dengan kerajaan sekarang.

    Kepada Datin Paduka, You Are A Brilliant Morning Star, Shine Forth and keep on the good fight! Clear thinking citizens are behind you all the way! Enough with the blood sucking bigots! Time For Change!

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  102. Dear Datin,
    I see alot of question about your father TUN opinion about BERSIH. I think it is unfair for some to ask this question. I know TUN DR. MAHATHIR LOVE MALAYSIA. It was the best he can do for this country. I know he worked very hard for the country. I believe TUN will feel proud to have a daughter like you. I see it as a different way to make a better MALAYSIA. KEEP UP this good work. I LOVE MALAYSIA, I LOVE MALAYSIAN (You and your family). I hope in future when I fill up any form, I just need to fill (MALAYSIAN) and no need to fill (CHINESE) I am not from CHINA. I am MALAYSIAN. GOD BLESS MALAYSIAN.

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  103. Dear MM,
    A good advocate of truth , spread to people to seek the Everlasting truth, The Truth about Reality of Life and Life of Reality and The Reality Of Meeting the REAL One and The Truthful One,All other than that is a vain pursuit and temporary.Seeking the Real Truth will set everyone free and contended.Then there will be less tensions,quarrels, misunderstandings , enemity, craze for power.When I met DRMM at his office in Putrajaya in april 17-2011, i feel he is beginning to know the vision of Reality - this is utterly spiritual. Let us pray the whole community, society,country,continent, world realize the truth to make a happy world, difficult to happen but lets begin with a good intention and a good spirit of thoughts. Power follow thoughts , and thoughts and intention is the sole reason of this world being created and the entire humanity is here from planet paradise and thoughts are the sources of all good and evilness.So let us begin with a positive, good, truthful prayers for the Ummah.
    Visit my blog[through google] http//.www.haqqulyakin.blogspot.com- Dr Ismail Kassim [ http://thewayofsincerity.blogspot.com]

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  104. on one of the many facebook pages that has sprung up since the rally, i have been calling for you to lead the country. and its my fervent wish that i call you my PM - like soon!

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  105. Dear Marina,

    The GorryMent said only 6k ppl attended, but the videos, well they don't lie.. do they?! I am so proud to be a Malaysian.. not because a few tens of thousands of people decided to rally 'against' the GorryMent.. but because my fellow courageous Malaysians decided to stand-up for a cause that would ultimately make a better Malaysia for you , me and the rest of us..:-) That day witnessed a united Malaysia. Malaysians of all races, religions, beliefs who came together as 1Malaysia.

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  106. Sangat kecewa dengan awak dan anak awak sanggup mengabaikan apa yg diusahakan bapa awak setelah sekian lama menentang perhimpunan haram yang sebegini. Sudah tentu lah tiada pergaduhan dan kemusnahan kerana kerajaan telah memastikan tiada pihak yang bercanggah pendapat ada di situ pada waktu itu.. Boleh tak awak fikir sekiranya KL tidak ditutup? Maka pihak yg tak berpuas hati dgn bersih bertembung dengan pihak bersih?? Apa yang bakal terjadi? Silap silap anak perempuan awak pula jadi mangsa! Pernah kah itu terlintas? Awak menghina dan perlekehkan kerajaan tapi bagaimana penghinaan awak dan anak serta kawan kawan baik awak terhadap Yang diPertuan Agong dan kerajaan? Bagaimana pula nasib para peniaga yang hilang pendapatan pada hari sabtu tersebut? Pernah kah terfikir tentang mereka? Awak dan keluarga tinggal mewah atas usaha Tun Mahathir janganlah diperjudikan nasib orang lain.

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  107. Was amazed knowing that you are in the rally. After read through your post about "I went because I believed in the cause". It is clearly stated the voice of most of the Malaysian. For those that write negative comments, I don't think they understand it. Even the rally is so call "hijack" by the opposition, so what? We just want a clean election.

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  108. Salam Datuk Paduka,

    Perhaps you could be the next chairperson for Bersih 3.0 peacefull gathering.

    Thanks a ziliion for your support to the the good cause of Bersih.

    "Stand Up for Bersih and for Bersih we stand up"

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  109. sadly 2 hear they are paid for RM200 per head,the crowd shoute reformasi and other words that no link at all with bersih.poor honestly face of young and old they know nothing what they did for and 10,000 paying crowd
    it`s mean nothing of 27 million people of malaysia,noticely Kelantan is about 20 years rules under PAS and 4th for the 1st other country rules by Pakatan,It is realty.When This Person( U know Who are) in a oppscs stand it`s must be a demonstration from 70`s untill now

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  110. bershit,
    at least get your English right first. cos gosh, i can barely understand the points you're trying to make.

    and second, I'm sure Datin Paduka MM has more than enough money in the world than to be paid by so-called Opposition to walk for a noble cause. lol.

    third, we're not cheap. we don't need to be bought to support a fair and just cause.

    salaam~

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  111. MM,

    You've been an inspiration since I've been a follower of your blog (I cant rememeber when I started. Probably a few years back). I have remained apolitical since then, but my major concerns have always been with regards to race relations.

    Your participation I hope would move more people to not be fanatical about political parties. God bless.

    Salaam~

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  112. you were worried for ONE daughter even tho you claimed that it was peaceful

    imagine how the caring govt of Najib and the Agong feel about their people, the silent majority

    who had to endure LOSSES in income and inconvenience while some hip group are just out for a picnic

    gosh this is sheer irresponsibility not to mention utter selfishness

    marina you should have educated your daughter that freedom of YOUR expression should NOT be at the expense of others

    and how SURE are you that those marchers KNEW what they were marching for

    reformasi shouts PROVE this - that these people were paid and thereby used by an ex-convict to escape from conviction of sodomy2

    while bersih demands were "honourable" - some of their 8 points has got nothing to do with EC. Have you read their demands?

    Are you that naive and gulible - the song we shall overcome is what? a christian rally call?

    take good care of your daughter - she needs to have her rose-tinted glasses removed preferably with mum's help

    before it's too late, marina dear

    P.S. I see you enjoy being recognised huh?

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  113. I have to commend people for taking action against an increasingly corrupt system. I have in recent year become rather pessimistic about seeing malaysians actually stand up together to fight this corruption so this a nice change of pace.

    I am amazed at the people on the board who actually condemning people for wishing to express an opinion. If we are a democracy we should be comparing ourselves to some of the true shining examples of democracy where freedom of speech comes before all. By denouncing the desire of people to voice an opinion you are embracing the ideologies of the tyrants of the world. I am sure only the Stalin's and Mao's of the world will agree with your opinion that these brave souls should be condemned for wanting to be heard by people who want to listen to them.

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  114. You should have asked the couple who looked harmless for the reason why they joined in the march, instead of just assuming they were there FIGHTING for clean and fair elections

    I saw a videoclip of a Malay girl who said that she did not know what the march was for, she participated because she was paid?

    You want this culture to take root, being paid to konon konon fight for a "clean and fair" elections. The name should have change from bersih to b******t

    The opposition won 5 states and BN lost 2/3 majority remember?

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  115. ...

    This logic that someone should always under all circumstances follow the path thread by their parents is to be frank rather small minded.

    If you have a pedophilic parent is it wrong that you choose not to be a pedophile. If your parent was a nazi would you be a disgrace to choose not to be a nazi.

    This particular sentiment that the young should follow the elders under all circumstances stinks of the attitude that this government has long tried to convince people. That the people should obey the government.

    People the idea of a democratic government is that the government represent the people. That they listen to what we want and work towards attaining it for us. The PM should actually work for us, and not we should obey him.

    The ideology that states that we should listen to the leaders without the right to criticize is autocracy. I think some of you have got the wrong idea about who acts in tune with communist ideals in the country.

    Personally on the issue about your father's legacy. I sincerely hope that he does not consider the fact that you choose to voice the opinions you believe in as a disappointment. That would be very disappointing. I would honestly say that I am not the biggest fan of your father but he is not without his merits. I would hope that him being proud that you have become a strong an vocal malaysia actively campaigning for what you beleive in is another "merit" towards his character.

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  116. Hello Marina, there's 2 reasons why people attended the bersih rally and I'm really glad that you went for the more humble one.
    As you can see not all the police force are incompassionate as claimed. The handshake picture shoulda been on the news instead of the tear gassing pics that we were forced to watch all over the papers and tv. I don't believe all the batallions deployed that day fired their TG canisters unmercifully or without second or third thoughts.
    Thanks again for the writeup. It's stories like these and people like you that makes us Malaysians proud of what we can accomplish even in the face of violence.

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  117. I am totally shocked at the comments by a few here especially twocents (nicknamed very appropriately), Mr. din, and by one emaah...! What's the use of personally attacking MM on the matter? She is one woman , a brave, just and intelligent woman who stood up for what she believed in. After all, the article was about her experience in the rally.. those who condemn MM are simply envious of her and her courage.. nothing less , nothing more.

    Dear Marina, kindly do not let yourself be discouraged by those who discredit and attack you personally. Malaysia needs more like you to make it a better country for everyone.. and that day, the day when Malaysians no longer will regard themselves 'different from the other" is just around the corner..:-)

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  118. I'm tickled to bits by some of the comments here, particularly those suggesting that MM doesn't know what her father's view on this or that she's destroying everything he has done. Ow, C'mon, people! Don't be so shallow. She have her own mind and she can do whatever she wants. I'm sure u guys do not follow everything your parents say and do

    I'm not a huge fan of either DrM or MM, but they do have their points on some issues. So, on this, i applaud MM for going to the rally. The cause is just. That's what we believe in, that's what we should fight for. I wish i was there myself

    and oh, only najib's butt-kissers would call the govt, "the caring govt of najib"... LOL

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  119. emmaahmadtanjizi & bershit,

    Pemikiran Kamu lebih teruk dari zaman feudal. Tiada sebarang keganasan yang telak dipraktikan oleh BERSIH. Seluruh dunia mengetahui bahawa mereka yang berlaku ganas pada hari itu adalah agent "tertentu" yang telah berlakon sebagai penyokong BERSIH. Jelaslah Politik Kotor, sampai Kerajaan telah tapis 90% Laporan CNN & BBC kerana Kerajaan Yang Feudal hendak rakyat ikut macam budak tadika.

    Yang sangat mimbimbangkan dan pelik ialah ada diantara rakyat yang macam kamu berdua ni yang befikir macam budak tadika tahun 70an!

    Zaman Tun dah lama Tamat, dimanakah kamu berdua ni berada? Dalam Hutan ke? Isu Semasa tidak memerlukan Tun ditarik masuk dalam situasi sekarang. Tun dah bersara.

    Kalau diri tu kurang paham dan kurang mengetahui isu semasa, lebih baik duduk dirumah & zipkan mulut. Rakyat nak kedepan tetapi segolongan kamu hendak bawa Negara kebelakang! Takut ke bila Negara hendak Kedepan? Kerana Takut nak berdikari? Takut nak berdiri tanpa Tongkat? Masih nak hidup slumber dan memperalatkan agama dan bangsa sebagai Passport untuk hidup Malas?!

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  120. Dear MM,

    Kudos! And...yes, won't you be our PM? ;)
    ps: There will always be a "Black" version of "truth"...Just a matter of perspective. Don't be disheartened, k. Will continue to pray that the ignorant will see the light someday.

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  121. Salam.
    I really impress with your writing.It's sending a *neutral* opinion & not accusing which political party are right.Your journey during BERSIH is very smooth maybe because Allah s.w.t. want you to be part of it and telling the right stories for people to know the truth.May Allah bless u.Amin & Thank you.

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  122. at last...someone say a good thing about the police....ur post had reduce my anger towards the police....not all the police are bad...they are just doing their job....but some of them tak berperikemanusian langsung....such a nice experience u had.... :) err..i know my english not good(better say it 1st before someone comment bout it)...at least u all can understand what i'm trying to say...ngeee....

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  123. Dear MM,

    ni lah ulasan mengenai bersih yang paling adil n ikhlas saya baca :)..

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  124. So you Marina Mahathir buttlickers are openminded and fair eh? Just coz a few of us differ in opinions, is ENOUGH reason to ridicule and condemn us eh?

    See you ARE practitioners of double standards, period.

    You really think Marina can be a good politician? She can't even convince her own daughter not to go, instead she joined in the illegal march against the Agong's advice.

    Sheeesh ... hallucinations galore

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  125. Umayrah dear

    In case you are not aware, idiots and retards, crooks and convicts also have their OWN minds, honey!

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  126. twocents,

    We hear what you have to say, but there is no need to be disrespectful and to make a mockery of one's opinion and you are in no position to question nor comment on how she educates her daughter not knowing them personally.

    Personal attack is unnecessary.

    Keep your cynical comments to yourself. :)

    MM, thanks for sharing your opinion. It was unfortunate that i was not there myself to participate. Truly, an eye opener.

    Cheers.

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  127. Hey CandyDandy & other buttlickers

    There is no need to admonish me or start preaching self-righteously, if Marina decides to publish my comments.

    Like everyone else here, we are entitled to our views, pleasant or otherwise.

    Now if criticisms, baseless and vicious, that are against the govt are hailed as liberal, openminded progressive and so on and so forth, why can't I and just a few of us speak our minds, whichever way we want.

    You mean to say that the others here are angels in their comments, huh? Go read each one all over again.

    They conveniently condemn the authorities, Marina included, and that is OK with you?

    So when an alternative view is presented, suddenly it's 3rd world war? Grow up lah sugar-coated sweetie pie.

    Now you watch this video and learn from a wise person who has seen it all, and then come back and preach some more to me, OK?

    It is entitled Pakcik Depan Sogo Part 2.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqRwnhyCl24&feature=player_embedded

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  128. @two cents

    In an effort to be impartial I should point out that two cents is not the first person on here to lower the tone of the discussion. That glorious distinction belongs to Umayrah.

    That said you both do injustice to your points by adding insults which to divert attention.

    But this particular blog was about retelling MM's experience on the day. And the majority of us are commending her for taking an action some didnt expect she would, some wish they had, and some just glad to hear that such an action has started to take root in malaysia.

    Should you feel that Malaysia is fine and dandy and that people are happy with the way things are sure believe that. But reality is not everyone is. Maybe some of the people in the rally were paid. Maybe they werent. It does not change the fact that there are people who are unhappy. I am seen a lot of posts over social media which I sincerely doubt is done because said people were paid money to do so. If believing that any discontent to the government is due to some people funding it then feel free to believe your convenient "truth".

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  129. I do believe that the freedom of speech in malaysia could be better. Its no libya but it can definitely be better. Heck I would say Malaysia is probably freer that Singapore in this aspect.

    I do believe that elections could be held fairer than it is now. Once again Malaysia is not an extreme example of bad elections but it can definitely be done better than it is now.

    The fact that the goverment is resisting changes to make the system better is in my opinion suggestive of dubiousness, which invites criticism. If the current government truly believed it had to full support of the nation and these small number of protesters were just paid to do this why be so intimidated to actually accept these changes. What greater sign of their glorious power could there be than to accede to these demands and still win an election.

    I feel that being critical of MM for showing a spine and following her beliefs rather this foolish notion of following the beliefs of their parent is just foolish. If this was strict rule everyone would follow that society would never evolve. We would still believe that women should stay at home and cook, that women would not have the right to vote. American would still believe slavery is right. Certain germans might still believe genocide is a logical thing to do. We are human beings, capable of deciding what we believe to be right or wrong and this should never be hindered by some desire to respect our parents.

    The concept of illegal gatherings, the concept of being barred from voicing an opinion is something which has more to do with autocracy than democracy. If we truly believe that we are a democratic nation, who wants to be taken seriously as a nation who cares for its people then these notions need to be weeded out from our society. I think you should be glad that MM shows that she does believe in your freedom to provide a dissenting comment. As recent events have clearly brought to the fore, the government you treasure so much would not allow you the same courtesy to voice a dissenting opinion.

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  130. With yr recent posting you have allowed viewers to post damaging comment about yr father, do you not foresee that this will happen or do you agree with them. For m, I would defend or avoid for any possibility for any damaging remarks directed towards my family, even if I disagree with them but you have been silent on this even in yr comment posting.

    When you mentioned at yr last paragraph that you’re in the 'right side'(yeah that side,whatever it means) it seems that have pass judgement on the rest of us.

    What if the march was to be allowed and two different factions meet up, what do you expect to happen? Nothing? Is it because just like the shouting policeman you mentioned is going to disperse the crowd, so should there be only one march at a time and what, deny the other of right to express their view?

    When you want to voice for being a non-partisan observer and critic, bertempat lah!

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  131. Kudos, keep it up..

    we are with you...

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  132. twocents:
    of course i'm aware of it, coz YOU obviously have your own mind..

    "a wise person who has seen it all"??? ROTFLMAO

    the point that everybody is making here is not about your differing view, but about your personal attacks. it's possible to present your views in a civilised way y'know. There's no need to make snide remarks to others and their kids the way u did.

    and why can't the authorities be criticised if they didn't do the right thing? are we under a totalitarian rule?

    just because we disagree with the govt on certain things doesn't mean that we are against the govt per se. grow up lah, kiddo.

    P/s I'm very sure u're still a kiddo

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  133. malaysian-abroad: WTF??
    in the so-called effort to be impartial, u have given me the glorious distinction i do not deserve.

    but yes, i do insult ppl when they insult my intelligence.. sue me!

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  134. Two Cents,

    It was the Cabinet That were shocked with Our King's kindness in opening His doors to Bersih. After the meet, The PM confirmed that a Stadium would be granted, obviously any reasonable person would expect a stadium in KL as BERSIH has always been based in KL.

    However, The glorious PM rushes to the Palace to state to the King that the Cabinet is disappointed and that He (PM) is the Chief Advisor to the King. He has often mentioned this which i find rather disturbing; "I WILL REQUEST THE KING..." Excuse me? It is supposed to be; "I WILL SEEK AN AUDIENCE WITH HIS MAJESTY REGARDING..."

    Time and time again, UMNO has made The King & Sultans their Puppets! The Malay Rulers have lost all power and respect due to UMNO.

    The fact that a stadium was not granted and Bersih remaining illegal despite the King's intervention, clearly shows how aragont both cousins are towards The King, they have no respect to His Majesty.

    So when PM went back on his initial promise for a stadium, it obviously leaves people gathering on the streets! Wherelse to go? Gather at your Mansion is it?

    UMNO programmes the minds of the Malays and they can only do this with Malays who are very unexposed, uninformed and uneducated.

    UMNO goes on further by injecting irrational fear in the minds of the people, they divide and rule and they rule by instilling fear. In this time & age such a practise would only hasten the end of UMNO. Period.

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  135. DIR,

    Your narrow mindedness and irrelevance is rather comical. In the very first place, this rally had nothing to do with opposing Dr.M. He is History and He should know his place as an elder statesman. He isn't the issue here.

    The "March" did happen and it was truely One Malaysia as Dato'S.Samad clearly mentioned and witnessed. Many government agents has been very actively acting as Bersih supporters and witness to twist and manipulate the event because many fear that Anwar's Day Of Revenge will befall those who cause his more than a decade of pain, sorrow and suffering. Many are literally shitting in their pants with the thought of Anwar rising again because they are filled with guilt.

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  136. Kalau kita memahami apakah maksud Hak Asasi Manusia, Negara ini akan lebih maju ke hadapan tanpa prejudis. Hari ini, Hak setiap rakyat tidak diseimbangkan.
    Kini, pemikiran generasi baru sudah berubah. Mereka tidak lagi dikongkong oleh imbuhan subsidi dan kebajikan kerajaan. dan semua rakyat tidak kira miskin ataupun kaya, mereka berhak bersuara kerana setiap sen duit mereka bayar kepada Kerajaan, adalah harganya bagi setiap perjuangan, tidak kiralah di kalangan parti pemerintah ataupun pembangkang.Seperti juga yang berlaku di Penang dan Selangor, dimana UMNO juga berhak bersuara kerana mereka juga rakyat negeri tersebut.
    Dan bagi Kerajaan Persekutuan, mereka perlu memberikan kebebasan bersuara kepada rakyatnya tak kira mereka ini daripada golongan penyokong kerajaan ataupun pihak pembangkang.

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  137. @twocents

    I don't post comments on my mother's blog very often, or specifically reply to other commenters, but you've referred to me a few times by now, and even accused my mother of being a bad parent, so therefore I felt I needed to chip in.

    As my mum mentioned, she decided to go to the rally the night before. I didn't even know she was going until that morning itself. I decided I was going pretty much when I'd heard about the rally and I told her so when Bersih first came up in conversation between us. She did not tell me to go, nor did she tell me not to go. She merely expressed concern for my safety when she heard that live bullets might be used on the rally goers (as any parent would).

    My mother (like her parents before her) taught me to be open minded and to think of things critically. She wouldn't tell me not to go to the rally because she knows she's equipped me with enough values to make these decisions on my own. That doesn't make her a bad parent, in fact quite the opposite.

    Freedom of our expression and right to assembly was not at the expense of others. The 20,000 or so people who were there were not marching for their rights only, but for every Malaysian, be it pro-govt, anti-govt or apolitical. There were even expats there marching for their Malaysian friends.

    Shouts of reformasi, (which were few and far between, do you have selective hearing?) don't prove a damn thing. Sure there were pro-opposition marchers there, but so what? There were also long time BN supporters there and many many non partisan marchers (including myself, my mother and a whole bunch of people we know). Get your head out of the party politics and see the individuals who were there. We weren't asking each other, 'What party do you support?' as we were marching, we weren't saying 'I hope this brings down the government' either. It didn't matter at all. Maybe the next time there's a rally, you should head down there, cause this non-partisan thing is obviously an idea you just cant comprehend.

    What you forget is that the government serves the people, not the other way around. And that's ALL it's people, not just those who support them. It's not 'conveniently condemning', its critically questioning, which surprise surprise, is what a democracy is supposed to be.

    The fact that you're gullible enough to believe that everyone was paid to be there already says a lot about you. And really, you get so defensive about people 'ridiculing' you, but if you notice, you're the only one calling people 'buttlickers' (which makes you sound like you're twelve years old).

    I have rose-tinted glasses on for marching for free and fair elections? Maybe you just need glasses on.

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  138. Salute @InezaR!

    Those people just can't understand. There are many ppl there is not because they support opposition. We just want to have a better tomorrow. Who knows the opposition sucks too if they take over?

    If the government think they are strong enough to win the next GE, why can't they be sporting and let those ppl march into stadium and the polis can guide all the way and only take action if someone break the rules? Then they have the excuse saying Bersih ppl act 1st.

    I dont care how ppl say Bersih is Pakatan Rakyat. I support cause I am sick of the dirty game. Those who give bad comments and believe the government is good, that is your own view. We have our own view. There are some good minister that I like in the government now.

    For those that think the election is clean.. check this out

    http://daftarj.spr.gov.my/NEWDAFTARJ/DaftarjBI.aspx

    and keyin this IC number

    1) 881231100432
    2) 801231130313
    3) 790610740022
    4) 830416610017

    Ppl that age 120++ still voting!! and if you think they wrong keyin the year of birth? Think again... they shouldn't have old IC number...

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  139. The Bear,

    We do not have an high tech system as yet, meaning that the dead will be on the registered as voters for a very long time or forever simply because in their lifetime they have voted.

    The dead family members of mine are still registered voters in the system. However, how does a dead person show up with an IC at the Voting Centre?

    Once a person is dead, the IC is immediately damaged by the Hospital or authorities. Hence it's close to impossible for a dead person to show up at the voting centre with an IC.

    In the same way, one does not get automatically registered as a voter until the person shows up with an IC on his/herself to register. Once you register and once you've voted, you'll remain on registered for the next 100 years. This is the system and it's hard to be misused.

    But yes, there should be a system that informs the Commission that so and so is dead and must be removed from the register.

    Even Banks, mobile companies, Quit Rent & Assessments remain in the dead person's name forever if changes are not made by the next of kin. This is how it works here.

    For example, if you use the mobile phone of your dead family member who has just passed on & you shoot up the Bill until it hits the credit limit, You don't have to settle the bill simply because it's in the name of the dead person. Unless you want to keep the number, then you got to go through the process of name change and death cert.

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  140. Joshua,

    I agree that we dont have the high tech system or process to remove those that have pass away. The weird thing is...those ic number there only exist if they got their IC when they are in 90++ years old. 790610740022 <- this mean this person is 132 years old now. He/She is 100 years old older than me. When I got my IC when i was 12 which is in new format (I not sure what year we implement new IC) this person is age 112. Maybe he/she really live that long.. maybe...

    You have a point that they have to use IC to vote. But if this is all call 'dirty' then this IC number there make sense rite?

    Maybe is mistake and maybe not. But since now there are ppl discovered it, they should do something about it.

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  141. @umayrah

    I am sorry if I offended you but in reality you are the first poster to cross the threshold into posting insults. I would have been guilty of double standards if I did not mention that and yet criticised two cents. In a sense he was reacting to you calling anyone who supports the government Najib butt kissers which IMO is out of order. As such I advice people to bite their tongues and post respectfully. If not you give unnecessary ammunition to people who disagree with you. Instead of talking about the relative merits of your respective point of view they can side step any logic based argumentation by highlighting insults.

    @ everyone else.
    The same logic applies to you guys. Posting that someones opinion is narrow minded and irrelevant makes people turn off rather than bother to read your comments. It doesnt necessarily mean that if you are nice your opinion will be taken aboard but it does increase the possibility. And I am sure you want more people in malaysia to see your point of view then this should be a standard you apply to your comments. When you post with such caustic comment the only people that end up symphathising with you are the people that already do. And in fact you may even turn your own like minded people against your point of view by being that dismissive.

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  142. Hi Marina,

    I'm a student currently studying overseas. I really like your blog and all. I believe I met you once in KL, in the Canadian high commission. (around August 2010). I had to wait for 4 hours to get my Visa and you didn't even bother to queue. You went straight to the front desk. I won't be this mad if you said sorry or something.

    I had to stand the whole time because naturally there were no seats.

    It's shit like that, Marina. From that moment I devoted my entire existence to one purpose: hating you.

    Please don't panic, it's not like I'm planning something evil or anything. This is the worse that I could do to you, leaving a comment with the hope that maybe you would read this. I know, it's pathetic.

    But know this, I hate you from the bottom of my heart.

    Sincerely,

    Someone who knows how to queue.
    p/s: My friend who had to wait with me hates you too.

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  143. Dengan ikhlas kami memerlukan anda untuk mengerakkan Malaysia yang jauh lebih baik, bijak , berkebajikan rakyat, jauh ke hadapan , rakyat yang mesra sesama mereka dan toleransi, ini kerana UMNO telah gagal dalam lanskap politik Malaysia, idea mereka telah jauh ketinggalan dalam dunia baru.UMNO Hhanya memikrkan kepompong mereka sahaja.UMNO GAGAL.

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  144. My dear Joshua Lopez
    Where did I write that the rally has got anything to do with Tun M. My posting is something that you would not probably understand, ‘beradap’ especially towards yr elders.

    If both different factions met, yes that march, or were you not on planet earth at that time, you think they are just going to hold up their banners then shake hands!?

    Yes I would worry of the like of Anwar rising because he doesn’t do what he preaches and you ppl still think he has enough moral value as a leader?!

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  145. Dear Popper and friends, I'm sorry that you've spent so much energy hating me. Have you ever considered that things may not be what they seem?

    If I remember that day clearly I had turned up earlier to queue up to submit my visa forms. I cant remember how long it took to do that but once I had submitted the forms, I decided to go off to the canteen to get a drink and also to use my phone.(If you recall, we all had to check our phones in). I only returned some time later to collect the visa, when they told me it was ready. That was probably when you saw me.

    I don't expect you to now start liking me but I trust that rather than spend time and energy on hate, you are channeling that to something more productive. All the best with your studies in Canada.

    To everyone else in this comment box, while I do respect everyone's differing opinions, I do hope that we can have these debates and discussion in a civil manner. I am happy to provide the space to do that but please don't turn it into a name-calling brawl. Thanks.

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  146. Marina, no looking back. And no need to be distracted by the odd ones here & there even though everyone's got a right to an opinion. Anyway, THERE'S NO LOOKING BACK. And thank you very much......there's hope !!

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  147. Marina, there's no looking back. And do not be distracted by the odd man out even though everyone's entitled to an opinion. Anyway, THERE'S NO TURNING BACK! And thank you.....there's hope for Malaysia !!

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  148. Dear Ineza,

    Don't waste your precious time responding to a loser like two-cents.. it's not worth it and plus you don't owe anyone any explanations my dear..

    twocents- I pray to GOD to give you some bit of love and peace in your heart! It's people like you that instill hatred in the hearts of Malaysia and its people!

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  149. Dear Marina,

    Now I feel bad :(. I'm really sorry for what I wrote. Thanks for wishing me luck and everything.

    I really like your blog and I find it inspiring. Keep up the good work!

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  150. DIR,

    Morality is a very subjective issue. To me, i evaluate a person's capability by the way in which he delivers his/her job.

    I firmly believe that matters of Religion, Race & Sexuality are matters of the home. It shouldn't stand in between politics.

    Review a Person's performance by the job delivery, nothing else. We should stop playing with issues of religion, race & morality because really every family has a different benchmark to this & it's a family's democratic right to choose their own lifestyles and choices.

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  151. Manusia yang kononnya perjuangkan hak kebebasan bersuara tetapi hipokrit bila hak bersuara orang lain pula nak diperlekehkan. Lebih baik awak cermin balik perangai awak ok.

    kpd Datin Marina, saya terima baik penjelasan Datin. Harap maaf kalau apa yang saya tulis menyakitkan hati awak. Tetapi saya kekal dengan pendirian saya bahawa perhimpunan haram Bersih bukanlah jalan terbaik untuk menyelesaikan masalah. Menjadikan ia lebih busuk kerana Parti politik yang mengotorkannya.. Saya tetap pegang dan dukung kata kata Tun Mahathir kerana saya bukanlah Seorang yang mudah lupa.

    Selain Bersih., apakata buat sesuatu tentang rakyat Malaysia yang mudah sangat lupa pada RUKUN NEGARA.
    Serta diskriminasi yang sangat berlerluasa dalam sektor swasta. ;)

    Kalau tak ada dulu tak ada lah hari ini. Masyarakat Melayu mewarisi nilai nilai murni dari nenek moyang zaman berzaman. Jangan sampai dah hilang segalanya baru nak beringat.

    kpd penkomen yang tak puas hati tu, sila look away ok. aku pun tak puas hati dgn tulisan korang tapi ada aku hina korang hahhh? jgn suka menghina org sebab kamu pun bukan sempurna. Hanya Allah yang sempurna.

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  152. Maaf sekali lagi kerana menulis seperti blog ini saya yang punya cuma sedikit hairan dengan sesetengah komen di sini tentang Govt..

    Benar rakyat membayar gaji petugas kerajaan... Tetapi adilkah melayan dengan menghina mereka? Apakah mereka setaraf kuli Rakyat. Sedangkan seorang Amah warga asing juga wajar dilayan dengan baik. Apakah mentaliti sebegini dikira up to date dan moden? maju taraf PHD?

    Ingat lah walaupun awak yang beri makan pekerja perkerja kerajaan janganlah pula fikir mereka hamba abdi peribadi awak. Pekerja kerajaan juga bayar cukai pendapatan, cukai jalan, cukai pintu dan sebagainya. Pekerja kerajaan di SPR juga bayar wang cukai untuk buat jalan, longkang, sekolah dan universiti yang awak guna setiap hari. Walau ada kesalahan mereka jangan pula nak diseterikakan muka mereka.

    Jangan terasa pula jika tak dikunyah cilipadi itu :)

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  153. Datin Marina,

    Hari ini saya terbaca kenyataan Mukhriz yg menjelaskan tujuan awak mengikuti perhimpunan Bersih.. Sebenarnya saya juga sedikit bertelagah dengan beberapa org rakan dan pro govt kerana backing awak menyertai perhimpunan tersebut. Atas dasar sokong setia dan sayang kpd Tun dan keluarga awak. Walaupun dalam rasa kecewa. Ramai juga yang seperti saya tetap pertahankan awak dari mulut2 celupar di ruang2 blog/social network. bukan kerana nak ambil hati awak ataupun untuk awak. tetapi saya tak dapat terima kutukan melampau. itulah sebabnya saya datang ke sini untuk dapatkan penjelasan dari datin sendiri.

    Saya rasa awak pun dah tentu lebih tahu sekarang betapa besar impak dari awak dan keluarga terhadap rakyat. Walaupun Tun bukan lagi PM namun sejala ajaran dan warisan Tun masih kami pegang dan dukung. Ini adalah kerana jasa Tun amat hebat dan besar kepada rakyat yang cintakan keamanan. Sepatutnya perjuangan Tun Mahathir dikukuh, dan diteruskan bukan tinggal hanya sebagai sejarah.

    Saya rakyat yang sanggup mati untuk Agama, keluarga dan negara. bukan rakyat yg akan lari ke negara lain jika negara diserang. Harga kesetiaan jgnlah dipermainkan. Keamanan janganlah diperjudikan. Harap kita tak jadi Malaysia yang terpaksa merempat di negara sendiri di bawah pengaruh Asing atas dasar demokrasi dunia.

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  154. Thank you for speaking up for Truth, Freedom and Justice.
    Your stand will go a long way into shaping the minds of the young and misinformed.

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  155. You are the best, Marina. it's people like you who should be leading our country. We love you for your wisdom and common sense.

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  156. Salams Datuk, as a mother and a grandmother i can feel the fear for our loved ones BUT it takes a lot of courage to be out there, be seen among the so called traitors and have even more courage to write what u saw. May Allah bless you and your loved ones. Sirajune

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  157. Dear MM, great stories!
    You never disappointing me since I know you from this blog.

    Keep up the good work. May God bless you always.

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  158. Hello Datuk Marina,

    I think I'm going to break the long streak of congratulations and praise. For that, I'd like to apologize in advance. I've always enjoyed your writings and I adore your father a lot. He's the Malaysian that I respect the most.

    On to the topic. I don't disagree with with people congregating and holding rallies. Freedom of speech is enshrined in our Constitution, Article 10 (with limitations in the subsections). BUT, this rally was distinctively politically motivated that I question heavily the purpose of the rally.

    Was this rally really intent to ask/promote/demand a fair and free election? Or was it a political ploy that we've seen so often? My mind thinks that the latter was the reason. I find it hard to believe that Datuk Ambiga had exhausted all options and that a rally was the only way to have Bersih's voice heard.

    Again, I'm not questioning the freedom to rally. But I'd like to know why the rally was held instead of discussing the issues with the EC? Even the demands of Bersih 2.0 were politically motivated. How does Bersih expect the EC to 'remove corruption' is beyond me.

    I've heard plenty of times from Pro-Bersih supporters that police brutality was the reason why the rally wasn't peaceful. They would post videos of policemen beating up rowdy supporters and supposedly accused the police of killing a man. However, would you take the time to view this video and tell me what you would have done if you were a police officer.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFWduXFANAI&feature=player_embedded#at=26

    Just my two cents.

    Adam

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  159. hi marina, just saw your article in the Star paper today, very well written! i share your sentiments.

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  160. Adam Johari,

    If only this lovely country of ours allowed for table talk and if only our voices are given an oppostunity to be heard, then things wouldn't have be taken to the streets. Unfortunately, this is a government that lacks the maturity, honesty & transparency in having a frank table talk. It's a government that certianly doesn't listen, highly arragont & plays the racial card coupled with utmost manipulation. I think you have lived much longer than me to know this all too well.

    One was seen as abnormal in your times have changed over the years. The people of Malaysia (Finally) are more exposed, well read & educated. Things have change, The World has long evolved. Malaysia has been slow in this sense but we are positively changing and evolving. You cannot expect Malaysia and Msians to remain as in 30 years ago.

    Yes, Tun was a Brilliant PM but off course with many shortcomings that we can forgive but it's time for change.

    Please be aware (even the uneducated have realized) that there were many agents hired (by you know whom) to act as BERSIH supporters & so smartly arranged by the government controlled media to only take shots and videos of these agents acting rowdy. Those from the government to took videos and pictures of these rowdy folks who in actual fact are not BERSIH supporters but were hired to Act. I'm pretty sure that such dirty politics is nothing new to you.

    BERSIH for God's sake is NOT about Ambiga. Get this crap out from your mind. She was appointed as Chairman. Period. BERSIH is led by many activist who are the very backbone of BERSIH. Anyone can appointed as Chairman, it was their choice to appoint the highly educated, influential and illustrious Dato'Ambiga. 50,000 Malaysians turning up simply tells sonmething more than just one woman called Ambiga, it reflects the frustrations of the people.

    Has the government done anything constructive since 2008? They have only been spending time sparking racial hatred and religious hatred with the hope of manipulating and influencing the minds of the Malays. Let me tell you, this only works with certain circles of Malays who are easily programmed by the government.

    Honestly, as long as UMNO is in Power, Malays will never be Free, Malays will never find liberation because UMNO programmes them like robots and parrots!

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  161. after 20 years away from malaysia, me and hubs remigrated back to KL a year ago. i love malaysia now more than ever because it is changing for the better. people are getting more educated, therefore there are better manners around and safer to be around. i'm glad to be back in malaysia where things are much better than before.

    warmest regards, elle

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  162. This is a Land Of Milk & Honey & Cost Of Living Is Still cheap compare to many countries. One can have a very good life here. Unfortunately this country is very poorly managed yet the country is still rich.

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  163. Marina,

    I love you for only one reason, you are the daughter of Dr M, the man I truly admire.

    I HATE you for your stand in Sister in Islam, an organization that never bother to understand their own religion nor wanting to leave either. It become a shame and torn in flesh.

    I HATE you for following BabiGaga's instruction. I actually hate you now just like I hate BabiGaga. Lucky Malaysia for having first class police force, otherwise KL will be like Bangkok. Having si Kitul KJ won't help either.

    If you guys don't even respect the king who else you cares about? KJ, you Marina, BabiGawa, Anwar Mat Leather King, Mat Sabun are all of no help. I wish you all went under or just die.

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  164. Gosh! The Man Is In Dire Need For A Psychiatrist!

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  165. Datin Marina,

    Pertama sekali saya nak ucapkan selamat berpuasa dibulan Ramadhan. Semoga awak dan keluarga dapat melaluinya dengan baik dan diberkati Allah.

    Yang keduanya saya nak tahu pendapat Datin Marina tentang isu perhimpunan aman yang bertukar jadi ganas di UK dan isu memurtadkan umat islam berbangsa melayu yang berleluasa sekarang ini.

    Jika tak mahu jawab secara terbuka pun tak apa kalau emailkan kepada saya sebab saya sangat ingin tahu pendirian datin.

    Terimakasih.


    RofL ingatkan tersalah masuk blog ;) oopps :P

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  166. Bersih 2.0: Merakam Semangat Zaman/Capturing The Spirit Of The Times - An essay and short story writing competition in Bahasa Malaysia and Bahasa Inggeris.

    More than RM6,000 worth of cash, books and a super cool limited edition diskopi's bersih t-shirt "melawan atas jalan bukan hanya atas talian" to be won + a chance to get your writings published in a book to be launched this year!

    For those interested to capture the zeitgeist of our era through essay or short story and won those prizes please check it out the details, terms and conditions of the competition at:

    http://diskopi.wordpress.com

    You can also download the competition poster in jpeg files at diskopi blog and publicised it in your blog and facebook.

    And please spread the good words to all your online and offline friends.

    Thanks.

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  167. nice writeup. In the eyes of those who have deep gnawing fear, even an invalid old man on wheelchair too would appear as hooligan, if he happen to be in the vicinity. Such a fear is tantamount to evil, for those who walk the path of the white brotherhood have only God to walk with, not FEAR. This nation belongs to all Malaysians, not to only a small number of people who sit on tainted pedestal.

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  168. of cause the world now has a bad impression of Malaysia. who ask to close the shop on that day? who ask to teargassing and water-cannoning the rakyat on "perhimpunan aman bersih 2.0"?

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  169. The ideology that states that we should listen to the leaders without the right to criticize is autocracy.Plastic Cards I think some of you have got the wrong idea about who acts in tune with communist ideals in the country.

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  170. I have to say, I have a lot of respect for you for doing what you did. Our families used to know each other a long time ago, and my grandmother has always spoken very highly of your family. Now I understand why. Take care and be safe.

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  171. I salute you for being so brave and forthright.
    I saw in your eyes...a very truthful and sincere woman when we met at the canteen..years ago... supporting Jeff Ooi and Rocky..against NST.
    May you and your family be well and good.

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  172. I admire your courage and resilience in marching through the streets last July. As much as I felt great relieve when knowing of the amicable display by the police during your marching, I was struggling to find the reason as to why your friends in that so-called Tung Shin incident weren't as lucky. Provocation from the public is something that is generally dismissed by the majority, but it is never a myth

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  173. Wonderful account, Sister! Keep it up! Stephen Ng

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  174. A very wonderful read.. thanks a zillion!

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