Well, well, well ...this must be a new strategy to win elections...alienate the hearts and minds of half the population by saying that they should not have any rights. Rights are supposedly a Western invention, which seems to say that in Islam, one has no rights, especially if you're a woman.
These are the same people behind HIMPUN. I've always maintained that these supremacist movements are basically macho male movements and women have absolutely nothing to gain from them. Well, here's proof.
| 7:16PM Oct 29, 2011 |
A
Muslim NGO is taking issue with a roundtable discussion on gender
rights and women’s issues on the basis that it allegedly promotes
“Western” ideas that it claims are a threat to Islamic values.
The group, Majlis Perundingan Pertubuhan Islam Malaysia (Mapim), in a statement today objected to the event ‘Gender Equality: Unaddressed Women's Rights Issues’ organised by Empower on Oct 31 in Petaling Jaya, Selangor.
Mapim general-secretary Mohd Azmi Abdul Hamid singled out two sessions at the roundtable in particular, ‘UN Committee on the Elimination of Discrimination Against Women (CEDAW) in Defending the Human Rights of Lesbians, Bisexual Women and Transgenders in Malaysia’ by Angela Kuga Thas and ‘A CEDAW Approach to Family Law in Advancing Equality and Non Discrimination’ by Lalitha Menon.
“Mapim rejects attempts by a group of secularists and liberals who are keen to be slaves of the Western agenda,” said Mohd Azmi.
“Discussions such as this is secretly aimed at fuelling campaigns and advocacy to change the values and moral foundations of Islam that are central to Malay-Muslims and Malaysians in general,” he charged.
“We are concerned with attempts by this group which want to highlight the rights of lesbians and bisexual women in terms of human rights within the country.”
He said that it was not acceptable to bring to the fore discussions of the rights of lesbians and gays in terms of human rights.
“Lifestyles that are opposed to Islam and Eastern culture should not be made topics for debate because Malaysian society has already been shaped by religious values that should be respected,” said Mohd Azmi.
According to publicity material on the forum found on the Human Rights Commission (Suhakam) website, the full-day roundtable discussion "aims at promoting and monitoring gender equality to see whether it is in line with the rights-based framework as put forward in the rights-based framework as put forward in the CEDAW, ratified by Malaysia in 1995".
It will feature opening remarks by Suhakam commissioner James Nayagam.
No to discussion on women’s equality
In the same breath, the Mapim representative also riled against attempts at the same forum to discuss women-related family laws “from the angle of equality and discrimination”.
“Mapim regrets efforts to challenge Islamic family laws and those who criticise it based on human and gender rights, such as is highlighted in Western culture and values.
“Efforts to continue to question Islamic family laws within the Islamic Family Enactment that now exists in this country will bring with it huge implications, that is to move for Islamic laws to be changed to suit the values and lifestyles of the secular-liberal West, in the name of women’s rights and human rights,” he said.
Using the age-old argument that the position of Islam is guaranteed in the constitution as the nation's official religion, Mohd Azmi argued that this position should be “entrenched as the basis of all forms of thought that are advanced in the mainstream of our society”.
The group, Majlis Perundingan Pertubuhan Islam Malaysia (Mapim), in a statement today objected to the event ‘Gender Equality: Unaddressed Women's Rights Issues’ organised by Empower on Oct 31 in Petaling Jaya, Selangor.
Mapim general-secretary Mohd Azmi Abdul Hamid singled out two sessions at the roundtable in particular, ‘UN Committee on the Elimination of Discrimination Against Women (CEDAW) in Defending the Human Rights of Lesbians, Bisexual Women and Transgenders in Malaysia’ by Angela Kuga Thas and ‘A CEDAW Approach to Family Law in Advancing Equality and Non Discrimination’ by Lalitha Menon.
“Mapim rejects attempts by a group of secularists and liberals who are keen to be slaves of the Western agenda,” said Mohd Azmi.
“Discussions such as this is secretly aimed at fuelling campaigns and advocacy to change the values and moral foundations of Islam that are central to Malay-Muslims and Malaysians in general,” he charged.
“We are concerned with attempts by this group which want to highlight the rights of lesbians and bisexual women in terms of human rights within the country.”
He said that it was not acceptable to bring to the fore discussions of the rights of lesbians and gays in terms of human rights.
“Lifestyles that are opposed to Islam and Eastern culture should not be made topics for debate because Malaysian society has already been shaped by religious values that should be respected,” said Mohd Azmi.
According to publicity material on the forum found on the Human Rights Commission (Suhakam) website, the full-day roundtable discussion "aims at promoting and monitoring gender equality to see whether it is in line with the rights-based framework as put forward in the rights-based framework as put forward in the CEDAW, ratified by Malaysia in 1995".
It will feature opening remarks by Suhakam commissioner James Nayagam.
No to discussion on women’s equality
In the same breath, the Mapim representative also riled against attempts at the same forum to discuss women-related family laws “from the angle of equality and discrimination”.
“Mapim regrets efforts to challenge Islamic family laws and those who criticise it based on human and gender rights, such as is highlighted in Western culture and values.
“Efforts to continue to question Islamic family laws within the Islamic Family Enactment that now exists in this country will bring with it huge implications, that is to move for Islamic laws to be changed to suit the values and lifestyles of the secular-liberal West, in the name of women’s rights and human rights,” he said.
Using the age-old argument that the position of Islam is guaranteed in the constitution as the nation's official religion, Mohd Azmi argued that this position should be “entrenched as the basis of all forms of thought that are advanced in the mainstream of our society”.
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Perhaps this Azmi fellow should travel to Tunisia where in the recent elections, the Islamist party Ehnnada reaffirmed that they would respect women's rights there. Tunisia has been one of the most advanced Muslim countries when it comes to women's rights, even outlawing polygamy since its independence from France in 1956.
28 October 2011
Last updated at 14:06 GMT
Mr Ghannouchi appealed for calm in Sidi Bouzid where violent protests broke out after election officials disqualified candidates from a rival party.
Tunisian troops fired in the air to disperse hundreds of protesters.
There were no reports of casualties.
The BBC's Chloe Arnold, in North Africa, says the protests have marred what was otherwise praised by international observers as a peaceful, free and fair election on Sunday.
Policy change fears Since its victory in Sunday's vote, Ennahda has sought to reassure secularists and investors, nervous about the prospect of Islamists holding power in one of the Arab world's most liberal countries, by saying it would not ban alcohol, stop tourists wearing bikinis on the beaches or impose Islamic banking.
But despite the reassurances, Ennahda's victory is causing concern in some parts of Tunisia, who fear the party could later change its policies, our correspondent says.
"Ennahda reaffirms its commitment to the women of Tunisia, to
strengthen their role in political decision-making, in order to avoid
any going back on their social gains," Mr Ghannouchi said at a news
conference.
No attempt would be made to force women to wear the headscarf, including in government, he added.
The party, which won more than 41% of the vote and 90 seats in the 217-member parliament, is in coalition talks, reportedly with its nearest rivals, the CPR and Ettakatol.
Correspondents say both are left-wing secularist parties which have insisted they will maintain Tunisia's Muslim identity.
Tunisia's Islamists 'reaffirm commitment to women'

Smoke is seen in the sky as police use tear gas on crowds protesting after the country's first democratic elections
The
leader of the Islamist party that won the most seats in Tunisia's
elections has said women's social gains would not be reversed.
Ennahda leader Rachid Ghannouchi promised to strengthen the role of women in Tunisian politics.Mr Ghannouchi appealed for calm in Sidi Bouzid where violent protests broke out after election officials disqualified candidates from a rival party.
Tunisian troops fired in the air to disperse hundreds of protesters.
There were no reports of casualties.
The BBC's Chloe Arnold, in North Africa, says the protests have marred what was otherwise praised by international observers as a peaceful, free and fair election on Sunday.
Policy change fears Since its victory in Sunday's vote, Ennahda has sought to reassure secularists and investors, nervous about the prospect of Islamists holding power in one of the Arab world's most liberal countries, by saying it would not ban alcohol, stop tourists wearing bikinis on the beaches or impose Islamic banking.
But despite the reassurances, Ennahda's victory is causing concern in some parts of Tunisia, who fear the party could later change its policies, our correspondent says.
No attempt would be made to force women to wear the headscarf, including in government, he added.
The party, which won more than 41% of the vote and 90 seats in the 217-member parliament, is in coalition talks, reportedly with its nearest rivals, the CPR and Ettakatol.
Correspondents say both are left-wing secularist parties which have insisted they will maintain Tunisia's Muslim identity.
Huh? What have we been teaching these people in school? I presume that they are 30-50 somethings. So the last 2 decades of OUR education has, basically, produced these kind of people. They need to be more compassionate, kind, fair and less oppressive, tyranical and BACKWARD!
ReplyDeleteTHIS kind of thinking is why every smart Malaysian needs to speak UP! SPEAK UP, man, for your country! SPEAK UP, woman for your country. Make Malaysia more fair, just, kind, compassionate! Don't let such a small-minded minority ruin our lovely country!
care to comment on your dad's latest take on human rights? please share your thoughts....no malice intended here.... just your honest opinion.
ReplyDeleteI really don't know where this country is heading at. I can't believe it that after more than half a century or independence, we still have people questioning the concept and basics of human rights?! Human rights is the right of all human being, and it shouldn't even be a topic to be argued about in the first place! This is even worse than 3rd World mentality...
ReplyDeleteBogey, if you don't already know then really it is for you to find out. Not necessary for MM to respond to your request directly. Well, so I think!
ReplyDeleteI guess when Hitler started, he too must have sounded as innocent as some of his ardent followers in the likes of this Mapim. The rest of the people by keeping quiet acquiesced and indirectly encouraged these guys who eventually became the monsters, just like Hitler did!
Maybe the time has come when these guys have to be confronted blow for blow. Usurping religion or their religiousness or invoking their religion, they basically stop anyone from contradicting them or to take an opposing position. Of course they will accuse a non-Muslim wading into this debate as insulting Islam.
In making that statement of theirs they take it as a given that all Malaysians are opposed to gays and lesbians or at least they are supposed to. They cannot seem to accept that gays and lesbians are sons or daughters, are fathers or mothers, are brothers or sisters to someone and therefore there are straight people who know them, love them and are supportive of them. I would like for them to know that I think they are an abomination and people who cannot possibly be filled with the essence of God which basically is love!
Marinam,
ReplyDeleteIn Memoria Muammar
(the tragedy of libya)
I. Consuelo's Love Theme
(part one)
Consuelo’s love theme begins
to the sounds of the heights
it is rainy days and mondays
and thoughts Mahathirs
Consuelo’s love theme plays on sad and haunting
Let love sleep and do not stir up love
andante goes the guitar
the violin fingering invitation
a flugle horn blows center stage
it comes and softly then goes a voice
a breath exhaled away imitating the wind
playing on her mind an election to win
in a far country
Let love sleeps and do not stir up love
For thoughts Marina
it is not the supremacist macho is enough azmi
and everything to be gain for angela and lalitha
as being male is different from hawa and eve
but to bare your fangs in public will remain
an indiscretion in need of incriminating proof
for the west is just as wonderful as the east
It is not the female loves her cubs
and all wolves smile the same
It is Tunisia – old Thrace
when Libya has lost a lovely face
it is the day of their angry reckoning
the hopes of all Arabs in the Awakening
Spring with a new beginning
It is not about winning an election
it is about justice and love
and peace for all generations
says she
Let love sleeps and do not stir up love
II. Old Soldiers Never Die, Muammar
ReplyDelete(the perfect death of the last of the desert samurai)
Of thoughts Mahathir: you have written the Tragedy of Libya with a sad heart; but even in sadness, we must be lucid in our thoughts and our actions. The tragedy if you must call it of the lost of Muammar is still up in the air, for I say the jury is still out. The wound is still fresh.
There are those who love him and there are those who wanted him dead when he was still alive. Muammar he knew that. Muammar is an old brave soldier, Muammar was a fighter to the end. He fought his battles to the last drop of his blood. He had wanted a brilliant death; he knew this could well happen: a shot to the head just like what they allowed to happen to Osama.
Indeed, Muammar’s demise is a tragic end; but his passing is not yet to be deemed a tragedy of Libya. There is the surviving family of Muammar that now begs the dispensing of justice in post-Gaddafi Libya. There will be wounds to heal.
It can only be a tragedy this Tragedy of Libya – and all other countries – whose people have known you and looked up to you when they refused to believe that you can help make a great change to their lives when they know that you are still very much alive. The tragedy is when they say they love you and respect you when the truth is they will not accept you into their homes and walk amongst them for they refuse to believe in their hearts that you are still able to show them how to bring up their nation and their countries more than any other Muslim can. The tragedy is when they say they love you but they do not know what love is really, Dr Mahathir.
Neither did they know Muammar nor do they know you; and yet they say they love Muammar and they love you. That is the tragedy. They hurt themselves and know not the cure; and yet they cried out: For the likes of Dr Mahathir!
Let love sleeps and do not stir up love
for love shall awaken when love pleases
It will be a tragedy when you allow a tragic end her tragic ways
for Muammar knew well that you would still be around
and Saif Al-Islam will still have us.
wallahu ma’as-sobiriin
Salam Hormat
Welcome (back) to Dark Ages ..hmmm.. before we send this Azmi fellow to Tunisia , we need to find out which well or under which coconut shell he is in so that we can scoop him out. I hope that people like Azmi understands that Islam was born many many years ago abt 1400...many things happened in between then and now...like Prof Khalid Masud said in his interview by Dr Farish Noor " For too long, Islam was presented to us as something static and frozen in time ...while the articles of faith and the universal principles of Islam are indeed timeless, the fact that the lived experience of Islam is evolutionary." Is this not true ? undeniably some of the practice or customs encapsulated in the Quran are a fragment of history. So why are some people cling to it so firmly ? Because they want to protect their privileges and interests that cannot be named ? Sheikh Rached further said that we must not forget that the Quran was revealed to us over a temporal of time ...
ReplyDeleteBut do we expect people like Azmi or his gang would ever consider this or try to discuss this ? .. because like most of the extreme ulama, they will accuse you of threatening Islam OR simply labelling you straightaway as a devil tainted by Western culture (not sure if they know what is originally our Eastern culture when they claimed in their numerous speech) to shut you off and to make you public or ummah enemy no. 1. Emotional game and conspiracy theory (which is so last year) very often cleverly played by those extremist ulama or certain people who supposedly represent certain Islamic group ...because the young people are very impatient and their defense mechanism can be evoked almost instantaneously ...but is it disturbing to see that those in Malaysia are not only young chaps. You wonder what went wrong ?
Indeed glad to see that Tunisia is blessed with enlightened scholar Sheikh Rached Ghannoushi while we here are so desperate to chase after economic development that I guess we have fallen back a few centuries behind on this front ...perhaps a price that we know we have to pay ...just that we do not know it could be this high ?
Like Rached Ghannoushi said " Remember that there is no central authority in Islam. All Muslims have the right and capacity to think for themselves and no one has the right to stop them...No one should close the door to Ijtihad.." Indeed Muslims could and should consider and think carefully about what he said instead of practising taqlid ?
I guess it is time for rationale Muslim to stand up against these people who hide behind the Quran and turn any call for a mature and civilised discourse into an emotional rhetorics and sensational headlines. Arent all of us equal in the eye of God ? There are many intellectual and smart women in Malaysia ...so why cant you speak up as one ? I believe there are also many Muslim man with clear, balanced and rationale view of Islam who should stand up and speak up for your mother, sisters, friends, nieces and hopefully daughthers and granddauthers...
salam,
keny
Old Fart, I don't recall asking you, so why are you replying on Marina's behalf? Kaypoh!
ReplyDeleteYou've been intoxicated by inhaling too much of your own toxic gas and hence, your feeling of self-grandeur..
Try inhaling some fresh air, it'll do you some good.