Friday, November 4, 2011

Making Room for One Another

 Folks, this was a note (below) I wrote about two years ago after I saw the documentary 'Jihad for Love'. I thought, given the events of recent days, that it was timely to let a wider audience read it.

There may be those who say we should not even talk about this, that to do so would somehow disturb public order. But how have we been able to respond to anything without seeking knowledge about it first? Are we not enjoined to learn before we react? Or do we simply respond based on whims, fancies and rumours? Is that what we call an intelligent response, or do we not care whether our responses are intelligent or not? And how does this urge to constantly punish benefit us? Does it make us feel better about ourselves when we punish someone else?

It so happened that recently a report on Muslim LGBTs in the US came out. Not all of it is relevant to us here in Malaysia but some of it is interesting and enlightening. Read it here and then, if you want, criticise it. But please don't react without reading it.

Al-Quran 58:11 (Asad) O YOU who have attained to faith! When you are told, “Make room for one another in your collective life”, do make room: [and in return,] God will make room for you [in His grace].  And whenever you are told, “Rise up [for a good deed]”, do rise up; [and] God will exalt by [many] degrees those of you who have attained to faith and, [above all,] such as have been vouchsafed [true] knowledge:  for God is fully aware of all that you do.

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Jihad for Love: My Response to the Movie

October 5, 2009



I watched a film last night which moved me so much I felt I had to write about it. At the post-movie discussion I felt so inarticulate in expressing what I felt about it that it kept me up all night. So in order to exorcise those thoughts from my head, I thought I would put them down here.

The movie was 'Jihad for Love' by Parvez Sharma, made in 2007. It is essentially about the plight of several gay Muslims, men and women, around the world including a gay Imam in South Africa, a gay Egyptian man who is forced into exile in France, some gay Iranian men also forced into exile after undergoing torture ( 100 lashes in one case) and some Egyptian and Turkish lesbian women.

My response to it is from that of a Muslim woman who believes that Islam is based on justice, equality and compassion and who wants to fight the injustices perpetuated in the name of Islam from within.

The first thing that struck me about all the gay people in the movie was how religious they were. Indeed, far more than me. To them, praying and seeking help from God was the most natural thing. No doubt the Imam from South Africa had far more formal training than the rest but it impressed me that all of them, without exception, were always conscious of God, of their duties as Muslims. Furthermore in seeking to find answers to what they view as sexual orientations that they are born with and cannot help, it is to God and religion that they turn to, nowhere else. Not a single one seemed to have turned to drugs or anything. Certainly the idea of abandoning religion totally seemed not to have occurred to any of them.

Secondly, they all seemed like very loving family people. The imam was in fact a divorced father of three and the scenes with his children, who clearly adore him, are particularly touching. He has not hidden the fact that he is gay from them because he is out in the open but their love for him and declarations of support should anyone try to harm him underscored to me what family values is supposed to be about.

Similarly with the others. The young men forced into exile are seen phoning their mothers and the conversations are clearly emotional. Their mothers miss them, they miss their mothers. They all wish they did not have to be apart. I was intrigued that the Egyptian's conversation had so many references to religion ( as in "I have wonderful news today on the Prophet's birthday!) including ending the conversation with his mother saying "There is no God but God" and him responding, "And Mohamad is the Prophet of God." Perhaps this is typical of Egyptian culture but certainly no Malay I know ever speaks like this.

All of them live with the constant need to find some way of reconciling their sexuality with their religion. It is difficult and most have to live a life of secrecy. But not once do they abandon all hope that God is always merciful, compassionate and full of love and, as one of them said, "always by my side." The Egyptian man who was imprisoned and raped said he got through his ordeal by always keeping his Quran by his side and reading it constantly. I don't know of anyone with more privileged lives who do that.

In the discussion afterwards, I said that the film was the best religious lesson that I ever had because it illustrated how Muslims, in times of adversity ( and God knows these men and women faced adversity beyond most of our imaginations), find their solace in religion because they had been taught all their lives that God is Merciful and Compassionate. And in fact, these are His most important attributes. It served to remind us who are constantly having to face so many issues regarding religion to be steadfast and to keep the faith.

One of the commenters after the film had asked why it was that Muslim gay people wanted to "have their cake and eat it" ie be Muslim AND gay. This assumes that there is simply no room for gay people in Islam. I had to respond to this because it is the same argument that Muslim feminists hear: how can you want equality between men and women and still be a Muslim? That comes from a profound misunderstanding of what Islam is, and confuses human interpretations and implementation of Islamic law with what I believe God intended. I find no references in the Quran that God said we should discriminate either between the sexes or between heterosexuals and homosexuals. So why would it not be possible to believe in equality before God?

Besides, who is anyone to tell me, any gay person or any Muslim for that matter, that they should not be Muslim just because your views are different from what is considered 'the norm'? If you are born and bred Muslim, the values, ethics and indeed rituals of Islam are part of what you are, the very fabric of what you are made. How does anyone simply abandon this? Indeed few people do and I would suggest when it happens it is often because there was nobody to explain to them what Islam really means, particularly by referring to the Quran. (And it is the Quran that says "there is no compulsion in religion"). Instead 'Islam' to them is exemplified by the political environment around them which tends to be harsh and extreme, and indeed far from the spirit of justice that Islam is built on.

Which brings us to the issue of the state and religion. It is clear that the men and women who have been forced into hiding or exile are not running away from God or their faith but just from the state. The state which justifies imprisoning, beating and killing in the name of religion. The young Iranian who finally goes to Canada may have left his family and country behind but he brought his faith with him. This was what caused him to collapse into tears once he landed in his new country; that he had been able to escape but not the many thousands of others who did not have the means to. He was not talking about escaping from God but only from the clutches of the state.

Indeed what moved me most about Jihad for Love was how intensely personal each person in it felt about his religion. It dispels the stereotype that homosexuals or transvestites are people without religion or have abandoned it. And it is clear, that no matter what the state does in the name of religion, it will not be able to erase Islam from the hearts of these people.

And that is our only weapon, those of us who have chosen to fight for equality and justice within Islam. That no matter what our detractors do to us - call for boycotts, censure, threaten us with harm - they cannot take Islam away from us. We may not be THEIR Muslims but we are Muslims nevertheless.

25 comments:

  1. MarinaM,

    Why the Qur'an has to talk about the tribe of Lot?
    Why can't we have free sex?
    Can we expunge that verses and those with disregard to modern human rights, MarinaM?

    Never fear death. Never fear such a thing as god's wrath.
    Do what you must and face the consequences.
    Hey, who knows there is no such thing as the day of reckoning.

    Funny many still believe there is such a thing as god.

    Do not fret dear. If you believe so much in something and its goodness why worry about dying.

    Is there such a thing as the tribulation of the muslims? Nah, its all old wives fairy tales.

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  2. in the history of mankind, and until today, mankind seek ways to make enemies of one another. Thus the story of the Lot. Also the Island of Lesboa.

    must we then repeat history as if we are incapable of learning ?
    the Quran is history we should not repeat.
    meaning, we should learn from it, and *not* follow it blindly.

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  3. Marina,

    there is somethng wrong with the commenting feature. it's complicated !

    the old one is realible and simple enough.

    thanks.

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  4. Unit Space,

    enlighten me: i am blind of the Qur'an.

    How do we not follow that poetry of an arab illiterate blindly.
    I am just a twit looking at a screen. You are in my presumption a intelligence in cyberspace.

    Enlighten me: how do we not follow this compilation of Osman blindly?

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  5. Hello there mrs marina,

    What i could conclude after reading your note is that..from my understanding..being pious and religious is good enough even though a person is a LGBT. So, correct me if I am wrong, is that what you are trying to say.

    because i don't agree with it. i am a backwards, close-minded, not cool malay Muslim.

    And to Mika Angel, I understand that you do not understand the Quran. Many of us simply don't. I don't understand the Bible so i decided to go to Borders, grab a couple of Quran translations and Bible books, read both and tried to understand.

    At the end of the day. i am still a Muslim.

    Sure, we can't see God. But how do you tell that to the BILLIONS of other people who might have been considered as "backwards" and "close-minded" for so many thousands of years?

    As a Muslim, I am doing my best to do what i know is right by the Quran. It's okay, as i have said before, to be called as back-wards, old-fashioned..whatever it is.

    We'll just wait the day our bodies are six feet under...and see, who comes to say "Hello" to you with only the earth surrounding your frail body.

    and if you talk about free sex, than you're talking about having sex with kids, minors, incest and such. that's considered as free sex as well.

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  6. Amin, Ya Wadud al-Amin ...

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  7. We all need to examine our intentions. Is our intention to make halal what is clearly haram? If one thinks one is 'born LGBT' but obeys Allah's commands and does not practice the act, instead strives to get closer to Allah, Allah will surely reward them for their struggle.

    I've been wanting to say for a long time, the reason why SIS has so little credibility amongst Muslims is because the intention of SIS is suspect. If you start out by making a conclusion you desire and then try to look for bits of scripture to support it, that is exactly the same mistake made by terrorists who blow up people 'in the name of religion'.

    Ijtihad should be done by scholars and only scholars. Let's not practice 'fast food Islam'. I love all your other work. Peace.

    http://www.suhaibwebb.com/islam-studies/islamic-law/towards-understanding-ijtihad-and-taqleed-a-brief-introduction/

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  8. MarinaM,

    God bless Zalikha and you.
    Now where is Unit_Space? Lost in cyberspace?

    Shalom

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  9. Iqraq,

    Are you saying that you know better than Osama Ben Laden? Is he a terrorist?

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  10. Salam Zalikha, I'm not asking you to accept anything at all if you don't wish to. But I wanted to share what I learnt from this documentary and that is that there are LGBTs who are religious and pious. Some have converted to Islam because of its message of peace and compassion. Should we not say shukor alhamdullilah for that? As the Islamic scholar Dr Tariq Ramadan said in his essay, Islam and Homosexuality, "This I have continued to affirm, and gone further still: a person who pronounces the attestation of Islamic faith becomes a Muslim; if that person engages in homosexual practices, no one has the right to drive him or her out of Islam. Behavior considered reprehensible under the rules of morality cannot justify excommunication."

    You know, we accept a lot of irreligious and impious people in our midst - those who are corrupt, who abuse, who cheat etc. Is that just because they are straight?

    Salam Iqraq, my intention is only to share knowledge on the lived realities of the LGBT community. My experience at the Malaysian AIDS Council for over 12 years humbled me a great deal. When I first started there, I must say that I was not entirely comfortable with LGBT persons. Indeed, I had to work with many communities - drug users, sex workers, LGBT, migrant workers - with whom I had previously no contact. But as they were the most vulnerable to HIV, there was no avoiding them.

    As a Muslim woman, I had to be clear that what I was doing was right. So I did talk to Islamic scholars, in particular the late Prof Fathi Osman. He told me that while Islam does not condone homosexuality, it also does not give us believers license to discriminate against them. This was good enough for me. In my work to educate people about HIV therefore, I could not refuse to educate these vulnerable and marginalised people because that would be discriminatory. And that has been my principle ever since.

    As far as SIS and ijtihad goes, yes perhaps it is true that we started off with a 'conclusion' and then went to look for evidence in the Quran. Actually it was more of a question: if God is just, then why are women being discriminated against in the name of religion? So we went to read the Quran itself and what did we find in it but a just and merciful God who does not discriminate against women! This finding, which we did with the guidance of many Islamic scholars such as Prof Fathi, Dr Amina Wadud, Prof Khaled Massoud, Prof Khaled Abou El-Fadl, Prof Abdullahi An-Naim and our own Dr Nik Noraini (who was the top PhD in Islamic Studies at IIU in her year), has been the basis of our work. So perhaps it is not our credibility that should be challenged but all these scholars?

    But thank you for your kind compliment on my other work.

    Wish everyone Selamat Hari Raya Aidil Adha and a happy long weekend!

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  11. MarinaM

    Away, Away - fly Me Away
    (i hear the drum calling muster)

    Lovely lines:

    Indeed what moved me most about Jihad for Love was how intensely personal each person in it felt about his religion. It dispels the stereotype that homosexuals or transvestites are people without religion or have abandoned it. And it is clear, that no matter what the state does in the name of religion, it will not be able to erase Islam from the hearts of these people

    Keep Warm, Keep Safe, MarinaM

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  12. Dear Kak Marina,

    Many many thanks for sharing what you saw and heard from the movie ..it is as though I have seen the movie as well..but I would want to watch it myself..have to.... it is beautiful to see that those people in the movie did not abandon their religion in spite of what others believe they have committed and despite the harsh reality of Islam vs LGBT (its like a no way out, either this or that). I am not experts in religions, but I have an interest in studying different religions, the true essences of each religions ...and understand why we are where we are now ...

    The first time that struck me about lashes that some of the victim suffered...was how could those people utter "Bismillah ir-Rahman ir-Rahim," i.e. In the name of God, most Gracious, most Compassionate ? If God is most compassionate and gracious how on earth did his followers be able to do such things ? Like one of our fren said in his comments ...we should not pick a few verse in Quran to justify our conclusion...which is also correct but perhaps we should also look at the fundamental values and message that Prophet Mohammed tried to convey ? Is it perhaps about compassion ? equality ? benevolence ? Piety ? Charity ? which could perhaps be above and beyond some specific historical event mentioned in Quran ? Is it even possible that sometimes we pay too much attention on finer details that we forgot about the big picture , the fundamental message and values ? And with this very suggestion of not to pick an excerpt from Quran or Bible ...perhaps we should also check and understand what other vicious things could have been related to the people of Sodom beside so-called homosexual activity (which is not unheard of in ancient times from Greek to China, to India to even in South East Asia (as rightfully mentioned by Prof Farish Noor)..Sodom could have been destroyed by God also because of other atrocities like being uncharitable and abusive to strangers, the poor, sick, and disadvantaged , practice to humiliate their visitors by engaging in an act of sexual degradation and male rape,Wanted to engage in bestiality -- having sex with members of another species etc which I believe straight people are capable of doing and are doing..


    Like I said , I am no experts but like Kak Marina also pointed out ...there are scholars also think otherwise not just lay person like you and me ? But then again , there will be some who will strongly say that the Imam/religious teachers are the authority here and not the so called Islamic scholars ...I don't think we can say which one is right or wrong here but common sense tells us that the party that could not accept a mature, civilised, adult, professional discussion/dialogue is most probably the insecure one..is it not ?

    As Kak Marina said, not all LGBT people are without religion (some even more pious) and not all straight people are pious and could be worst ..couldnt they(raping, murdering, incest, lies, extra-marrital affairs, pre-marital affairs and the list goes on) ...and we can accept those people instead of LBGT people whom some of course could even learn a lesson or two from them ?...this is because you might not understand discrimination that well unless and until you are being discriminated in one way or another (because you are a woman, because you are a handicapped, because you are poor or from different class of society, or because you are obese or because you are not beautiful ?) and I think it is this very fundamental reason that Miss Ambiga agreed to officiate the event which a lot of people failed to see or even bother to ask before lashing out their vicious comments (thats what happens when you close your eyes and talk). We need to engage and understand ..." Do not judge or you too will be judged , with the measure you use, it will be measured to you "

    That aside , I am rather suprised or curious at some of comments made by our so called leaders. Lets try to understand them.

    to be continued...

    Kenyneo

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  13. continuing from my earlier post

    1) it will affect nation's stability. Are they trying to say that Malaysians are so intolerant and extreme that they will go beserk because of the events ? If they do , perhaps it is their responsibility to check on those extreme groups, no ? Not sure which group is actually affecting the stability of Malaysia ? Are they not afraid that those people are so intolerant of anything non-Islam ? When are those people going to say burn all the idols of other religions ? Kill all the pigs and dogs in the country ?
    So I say our government and leaders prefer to deal with the symptoms than the cause. Well, perhaps election is near ...but who is the victim of this political circus ?


    2) Will caused disharmony or enmity of the people ? I am just wondering how ? People will start to hate and kill people who are LGBT even though they are still your best friends, friend, niece, nephews, uncles, aunties, relatives, co-workers ? if yes , then I seriously would like to ask the Goverment to include in their NKEA because malaysians are generally unable to rationalise and engage anymore (dont even think of the next Apple or Microsoft to be coming from Malaysia when your people cant even think ! ), have been subjected to years of rote learning (ahem),has became so extreme that they will explode in the face of any new foreign elements to their lives. ( now I am sacred for all the tourists to Malaysia of our level of tolerance and ability to try to understand)

    3) It will cause bad influence ...I presumed that the Governement or leaders/MPs out there believe that the straight people who wants to go their and learn about the struggle, the lives and the fight of LGBT people will immediately be convinced to cross over and become homosexuals ? If indeed this is true , then the government should be scared not of the Seksualiti Merdeka but on the general public on their lack of judgment, logic and foundation ...which are really areas for them to look at ! Sweeping it under the carpet is not going to help rather than engaging the minorities (the same for handicapped people's rights etc ...I challenge each MP to use wheelchairs for a day and try to access our public and private places around malaysia and see how they feel should be improved and done !)

    But then again perhaps it is Seksualiti merdeka's fate to be the smokescreen and untimely victim for some parties to try to divert the nation's attention from the ridiculous and irresponsible overspending by various departments and an apparent lack of central goverment control over them ? Doesnt each department hv to report their monthly or quarterly actual vs budget and be reviewed at their departments and by central government ? Siapakah yang sepatutnya diheret ke meja keadilan ? But now that Seksualiti Merdeka aka LGBT group is the public enemy no. 1 , the people are now so panicky and stressed that this Armageddon that Seksualiti merdeka going to bring ...they will probably forget to ask for an explaination on the taxes they paid from their sweat and toil and gang up with the govt to stake the LGBT people ...after all election is around the corner ...here comes the white knight in kuda kepang.

    Perhaps we should ask ourselves , why ? if given a choice people are where they are ..why dont they want to through simple straight lives than going to constant struggle with their own religions, playing double lives which I believe is extremely exhausting,and not being able to share their love with their friends and family, disgusting discrimination, unspeakeable humiliation and many more ..Isnt there a reason ? why dont they just choose the simple path ?

    May compassion, peace and benevolence we in our words, thoughts and actions.

    rgds
    Keny

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  14. Salaam All,
    Mika-Angel, I'm not sure I understand your question. My point is that non-scholars/lay people should not be interpreting Qur'an and Hadeeth with regards to important issues. If you had a heart problem, you would not go and see someone who did not go to medical school, or even an orthopedic surgeon or a GP. You would see a cardiologist. When non-scholars interpret the Qur'an with wrong intentions, one of the possible results is terrorism 'in the name of Islam'. It is dangerous.

    I too have worked with HIV patients as a physician. I am not oblivious to their plight and they taught me more about compassion than medical school did. Islam *is* compassionate and no-one is disputing that discrimination is wrong, be it in the workplace or at home. All Muslims have the responsiblity to engage and work with all those communities Marina mentioned, and the work Marina has done is so highly commendable and I admire her work greatly.

    Personally speaking, I have a close relative who is LGBT although he keeps it to himself. We accept him and love him but he chooses not to burden us with his struggle by 'coming out', because it is his own struggle with his nafs in the face of Allah. Alhamdulillah he has been very strong and is coming closer to Allah by the day and may he be rewarded for this jihad. Never ever has he tried to make halal what is clearly haram. This is why I said we should examine our intentions. With a motto like "Queer Without Fear", surely that is a terribly provocative stance for SMerdeka to promote as we all know that we *should fear* Allah swt. This movement may be at home in Sydney or London but in Kuala Lumpur? I can't think of anything more un-Malaysian as Malaysians are still a very religious people, be they Muslims, Christian, Hindu, Buddhist, Taoist etc.

    To all the responses about straight people not being good either, I never said they were. I condemn corruption, cronyism, nepotism, cheating, abusing the rakyat's money as much as the next guy for exactly the same reason that these acts earn Allah's wrath.

    Dear friends, we have to be wary of getting carried away by this new religion called 'human rights'. Do we really think human beings by majority rule have the capability of deciding what is good and what is bad? What if in the future the majority rule decided that bestiality is a human right? We probably won't see it in our lifetime but our children or grandchildren might. Remember shaytaan is very, very patient and persuasive. We need to understand 'human rights' outside the vacuum of current times and examine what brought us to this point in modern history. I invite you to watch the following BBC documentary and ask yourself the above question again. Thank you all for the wonderful, civilised discourse. Peace.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyPzGUsYyKM

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  15. Iqraq,

    you wrote well now that you have expressed yourself more fully.
    Thank you and Salaams Eid Mubarak.

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  16. i reckons those Muslims who sympathizes towards the plight of these Muslims' LBGT and recognize their human rights issues does not consume pork? Why not? Is it not your human rights to consume anything that you desire so long as it does not cause trouble to the public? Why not champion the rights of Muslims to eat pork (together with consuming alcohol) along the way. Sure they are forbidden by god as written in the holy Quran, but then homosexuality is too, but that does not deter these human rights champions, are they? Why discriminate one sin for another?

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  17. A silent supporter of your good causes - and an advocate for awareness and against homophobic. I considered myself "highly visible and noted" in the GLBT community.

    Thank you for your speech today. I think you really nail it on the head with those people. Please don't stop standing up for the discriminated, we need leaders like you.

    And if you'd only run for Premiership, you got my vote. Right now my vote is as good as drawing a *** face on it.

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  18. @foodrepublic,

    yum, yum, i love you! pucuk di cita ulam mendatang; but i think you are a tough, smart cookie.

    foodrepublic,
    do you support, promote and advocate the implementation and enforcement of full Shariah Law? It is written in the Constitution Of Malaysia that Islam is the official religion of the country, right? why discriminate one law for another?

    Anyway, what do you think of this Recognise minority rights, too: THE banning of the Seksualiti Merdeka Festival has brought to the forefront the issue of not just intolerance towards sexual diversity but also the issue of ensuring the protection of minority groups in a democracy.

    The Women’s Centre for Change, Penang (WCC) would like to highlight that the Federal Constitution (Part II) ensures the protection of the fundamental liberties of citizens. Article 8(1) states that all persons are equal before the law and are entitled to the equal protection of the law...


    Now, MarinaM, your friend the ex-president of Bar Council maybe in hot soup: she lost her cool, I guess; and calling for her lawyer when is very interesting. Did she allege that the Media wrongly reported the issue and allow 'bullying' to happen? By whom - Perkasa? That's a laugh. I thought Perkasa was just an empty vessel and the group to worry more is Perkida or Tiga Line. What's your thought on that, Datuk? - RSVP (i'm a twit in need of enlightenment, remember; and i will wait to the music of <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kL5BhqImflY&feature=results_video&playnext=1&list=PLEB23BD9D977ED446>Kisah Rumahtangga</a> by P Ramlee, though I may need eno fruit salt from too much foodrepublic:)

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  19. Salam to Sis Marina,

    1. What majority of Malaysian are against is for us to tolerate and condone an immoral activity in a public sphere/forum. It has nothing to do with individual liberty or individual discrimination as I will point below.

    2. Yes, Islam teaches us to be fair and just. However what is Haram is Haram and what is Halal is Halal. I agree that just because an individual is a homosexual we have no right to call them kafir, just as we have no right to call a person who cheats, steal and kill as kafir. This is because only God have the right to determine whether an individual has gone astray from the right path or not. I believe this was the key message from both Dr Tariq Ramadhan and the late Dr Fathi Osman.

    3. You pointed out that there are homosexuals who are religious. I do not deny this just as I do not deny that there are gamblers, fraudster, drug abuser, alcoholics who also believes in God, fast in Ramadhan and pray 5 times a day. Do we also need to question why don’t we give room for people indulging in these vices in Islam? Also, it is wrong for you to equate the fight for women’s right to the homosexual movement. You are making it more difficult for women to bring real changes by making this association. This maybe the natural strategy taken by LBGT activist in the West but it is wrong for us to follow it because it only makes things worse.

    4. Please correct me if I am wrong, in our country, if an individual commit a murder, irrespective of his/her sexual preferences, that individual will be given the death penalty. In our country, you can buy houses, get loans, get employed at Governmental agencies irrespective of your sexual preferences. Honestly, have you ever heard of someone who was asked about their sexual preferences when he/she goes to a job interview in this country?

    5. In our country, every individual has the right to do whatever he/she wants to inside his/her own property as long as it does not jeopardise or encroached the property of others i.e. the community. So if a Muslim wants to consume alcohol, eat roasted pork, gamble, and indulge in homosexuality and other vices in his/her own property, then it is their right and let God judge them (point 2). This is the basic concept of liberty and nobody is encroaching on this right i.e. PDRM do not come to your house to check if you engage in homosexual activities like they do in Iran, do they?

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  20. 6. So what do we do now? Nobody can deny that there are homosexuals, bisexuals and lesbians in our community and denying their existence is futile. In my opinion (feel free to disagree with it), the best solution is for us to give the right kind of support.

    7. Homosexuality is a behavioural disease (I know what proponents of LBGT will say so please spear me the details/attacks - I've heard them all before). Just like alcoholism and drug abuse, the individual must first admit to him/herself that he/she has a problem. You can change a child’s behaviour but not an adult. So what can the community do?

    The right kind of support group - We have support group for alcoholics and drug abuser, why not for homosexuals? It may be highly controversial in the US or UK but Malaysia is a sovereign and independent country.

    Take for example the support group for alcoholics, have you ever heard any of these groups say :

    - Drink all you want, it is your right. Do not change but be proud that you are an alcoholic.

    OR

    - You alcoholics are evildoers! You will be burn in hell and the alcohol you drink will be the gasoline that will burn you.

    FYI, they don't say either. Same goes to support group for drug abuser. In the support group, they will help one another to get rid of their vices because changing behaviour is hard but it is possible!

    8. Yes, there are individuals who go into rehab every 3-4 months without any success but you will never find anyone of a sane mind that will say "Just be who you are (drug abuser) and be proud of it!". I believe this is the right cure for our country in dealing with behavioural disease like homosexuality. I believe if this was the intention of the organiser of Seksualiti Merdeka, majority of Malaysian will support it.

    9. To each its own. What works in country X may not work in country D. We have to come out with our own solution for our problem.

    Salam from,
    Fatimah Zuhri

    ps: Please send my regards to your dad and mum :-)

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  21. I do not read the law nor i pretend to understand the law. i do not know the difference between human rights and civil rights. i do not belief in democracy as much as i have trust in monarchy. But my faith in my religion is absolute, and i do belief that my life as a Muslim is governed by that of the holy Quran and the hadith.

    Human rights exist in Islam so long as it adhered to the Quran and the hadith. Homosexuality is a sin, so as adultery, murder, corruption, stealing and so on. I may exercise the 5 principles of Islam diligently yet if i committed adultery, i am still sinned. Being pious or not whether you are a queer or straight, is of no issue.

    I once knew a homosexual; he’s a great friend of mine during my university years. I thought of him as a brother i never had. He performs his prayers well, never skimped, always attended mosque frequently and such a helpful person too. I learned his sexual orientation when he made a move on me, which i refused politely. I did not discriminate him; he remains my companion throughout my studying years. Yet i told him that what he practices is a sin, a capital one, one that is even spoken in the Quran. I told him that he need to repent soon, with the absolute tawbah, for fear that all his ibadah, his prayers, his fasting, counts for nothing if front of god if he continues to be sinned. I respect him as a person, as a good friend, yet i pity him for the choices he made.

    I condemned these so called human rights champions who are Muslims for they are openly decrying god’s commandment. I fear that god’s punishment is just, and i will stand up for any foreign element that tries to corrupt my fellow Muslims and tarnish the beauty of Islam.

    To Mika Angel-0: i do not know nor understand gov’s reluctance to implement Shariah Law, but i do sacredly belief that the law of almighty Allah is never inept at any time. Any law created by man is and never will be perfect. (just read the US Declaration of Independence that states “that all men are created equal”, sign by the 56 delegates whom the majority of them own slaves. Irony?)

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  22. @foodrepublic: love you (yeah like Barack Hussein Obama irony - change we need)

    to share: (this is MarinaM sees it ok - it's her blog and she is so GARANG!)
    Bach, Toccata and Fugue in D minor, organ
    (i call it bach man fart)

    OWS! OWS! OWS!(burpy salaams)

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  23. Hello MM
    "I find no references in the Quran that God said we should discriminate either between the sexes or between heterosexuals and homosexuals."
    because homosexual is a no no in Islam. just drop it. being homo means there are bound to be buttsek and the ducomentary you watched kinda says that ITS OK TO BE GAY. its not before, not now and not in the future.
    yes i am backward, not liberal, not cool but yes i am against LBGT.
    LBGT is a disease we have to purge the world of it.

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  24. Dear MarinaM
    Hi There!

    I would like to share this with you: a star of a joke
    It is from your paper, dear.

    Wednesday November 16, 2011
    Manhole cover thieves nabbed after police chase

    GEORGE TOWN: Two men who stole a manhole cover fell off their motorcycle in their haste to escape from the police on Jalan Air Itam.

    The duo, believed to be in their 30s, were flagged down by five policemen on three motorcycles after they were found behaving suspiciously.

    Both the suspects then sped off with the policemen hot on their heels during the 2.30pm incident.

    Members of a community policing team also joined in the chase before the rider of the machine lost control while trying to make an illegal turn from Jalan Air Itam into Jalan Terengganu, resulting in both suspects falling off and sustaining leg injuries.

    They were then detained by policemen who also checked their motorcycle and found it to be stolen.

    A police spokesman confirmed the arrests, adding that the suspects had been sent to the Penang Hospital for treatment.



    What were they thinking, dear?

    Salaams

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  25. MarinaM,
    Hi Dato!

    This is really what I wish to share with you.
    Your Dad is very smart but not as smart as you or your Mom - believe me,dear.

    Your Dad is so kind hearted but he is kind of slow these days; your brothers - well, I don't want to gossip about them. I want to talk shop about PPSMI and Failed Countries with you, since @Johan Marco posted what he posted. Please don't be angry with me, Dato Marina (you know it's the t word). So here goes; aand may be your friends can jump right in and join. That would be great, don't you think. We do Amal and like the saying goes - Do It! (amal, amal, amal and we love Johan Marco)


    Dr Mahathir
    Salaams

    Failed Countries: Unemployed Citizens
    (mass migration proposal)

    What do you think? Quick-fix solution; and long-term guaranteed! I am serious, Father. Please think about it, Father.

    Help those who are better educated and in need. Think! Inter-marriage and cross-culture social engineering! We get better humans at discounted price, Father.

    Love you, Father; and Mother, too.


    And there is a crazy cry out: DOWN WITH NAJIB! and BRING DOWN NAJIB!

    (Okay, got to go and mandi. The azan's for maghrib. Solat is so wonderful, dear)

    Truly

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